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Post by heathen on Feb 6, 2016 18:10:49 GMT 1
Science isn't also about power? As science is currently used, it is under the materialist paradigm. Philosophy of the world comes first. Materialism, or Physicalism, is the ruling paradigm. Data and facts are gathered which support this paradigm. This paradigm, like all paradigms, has anomalies. Many can be absorbed but many anomalies are ignored or "debunked" or forgot about and left on a dusty shelf as unexplained. This is similar to how governments work with their paradigms. Science has political battles over its paradigms.
To solve the paradigm's anomalies one is forced outside of the normal channels of science by definition.
This comment does not provide an argument for FE. This comment is based on the idea of equating science with honesty or as a truth detector.
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Post by fizzix on Feb 6, 2016 19:10:41 GMT 1
i think science at its core is neutral, apolitical, interested only in finding the truth whatever that may be, and understanding as much of reality as possible.
Its done by humans however, who are fallible, sometimes vain, corruptible etc. The scientific method minimises the effect of this on the published body of work as much as possible, more so than any other system humankind has ever come up with.
Science papers do get out with false or biased info in them sometimes, where the results have been bought by a pharma corp for example, and it may be a long time, or even never, before they get exposed by peer review.
science journals sometimes publish garbage papers that arent even proper science bevause they dont take time to check the veracity of them properly.
science is used for immoral purposes, generally not because the scientists themselves set out to do that but because their work was coopted by arguably amoral or immoral organisations like the military.
Scientists sometimes resist a new, truer model because of pride and their emotional investment in the old model.
Nothing we do is ever perfect, but we cant throw the baby out with the bathwater. The vast majority of scientists are just nerds who love exploring and solving puzzles and finding the truth. The idea that they're all in on a conspiracy to hide the truth, and havent rebelled against this conspiracy, is extremely improbable.
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Post by heathen on Feb 6, 2016 19:52:19 GMT 1
Those nerds work under their paradigm and gather information and data which reinforces that paradigm. The anomalies that don't fit (or not absorbed) are heretical, ignored, "debunked"etc. In other words, like a government, the paradigm is defended.
Science is a human activity. And their dominant philosophy of the world comes first.
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Post by heathen on Feb 6, 2016 19:54:39 GMT 1
Read about Thomas Kuhn, and scientific paradigms. This isn't a conspiracy.
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Post by heathen on Feb 6, 2016 20:25:12 GMT 1
Here's something I just found on wikipedia giving an overview.
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Post by fizzix on Feb 7, 2016 12:19:41 GMT 1
Yes theres often a natural resistance to new ideas that upset the status quo, especially if there are vested interests that stand to gain by derailing progress, see oil industry conspiracy evidence re energy efficiency tech. Even outside of corporate corruption, see Hawking vs Fred Hoyle, who defended the Steady State theory against the big bang /expansion theory til the bitter end.
On the other hand the opposite can happen, see NASA seriously investigating the reactionless EM drive despite it being apparently contrary to all established physics.
Yes FE suffers because it goes against a strongly entrenched paradigm, but it doesn't hold to say its being treated unfairly. Why should FE get special treatment and be exempted from having to meet the same standards as any other extreme theory?
FE had it's time. It was widely accepted, then it was thrown out as better models were developed. Where lese in science have we gone backwards to a discarded model?
You've heard the adage Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Wheres the extraordinary evidence? Who has come up with proper experiments with a rigorous writeup that can be peer reviewed and replicated? Who has come up with a detailed theoretical model that has maths that can be checked and doesnt rely on magic?
Whether God created reality or not, it was created in a way that generally makes sense and allowed us to come up with consistent models to describe and predict it. Not so with FE.
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