Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 15:28:54 GMT 1
This is one of the best videos from many points of view: you can hear Hitler's voice, when he was not giving a public speech, and you can read the subtitles, word by word. Also, it has been cleared of background noise.
Mannerheim-Hitler, Finland 1942.("Secret" recordings),restored audio, subtitles in German/English.
Itapirkanmaa2
Mannerheim-Hitler, Finland 1942.("Secret" recordings),restored audio, subtitles in German/English.
Itapirkanmaa2
Two main clips from the YLE archives denoised and processed for clarity by myself, with contemporary pictures mainly from the Finnish Defence Forces archives, www.sa-kuva.fi. The subtitles in English are by myself.
The second recording is often called "the secret recording", and begins at 13:57 . In fact, there is nothing sensational about the recording,
The microphone was the same visible microphone used to record the official speeches in Mannerheim's personal railway car, it was only about two meters away from the gentlemen sitting down discussing. It is visible in the lead picture of this video, and was not "thrown into the compartment on the luggage racks" as was claimed by the former YLE sound engineer Damén, who was in possession of a tape copy. Damén perhaps made these claims in order to increase the sales value of the tape copy he had, the text of which was published in the press in Sweden, where he lived post-war, in 1947. There were no "SS guards" or even "German officers" who would have stopped the recording. It was terminated by a Finnish P.R. captain on his own initiative. The recording was secured but not destroyed nor confiscated.
Note: the speech by Mannerheim in a restaurant car that I have included pictures of, has been recorded as well, but is not connected to this recording. It was delivered both in German and in Finnish with a written German translation, which Hitler is seen to read in one of the pictures.
There were no German troops present, and they would have had no jurisdiction. For close personal support, Hitler brought with him a handful of German SS police officers, his military adjutants, his doctor and his valet. Hitler's vegetarian meals were prepared for him in advance by the Finnish HQ restaurant.
The same captain was also terrified by the guests having had lit up their cigars in the restaurant car after the dinner, as Hitler was a strict non-smoker. There was no "cigar smoke blown by Mannerheim onto Hitler's face", as sometimes has been claimed. We don't know what Hitler's exact reaction was, but we know that he himself offered Mannerheim a cigar to smoke when Mannerheim made the required courtesy visit to Germany the same summer.
The impression left by Hitler on the audience was mostly a favourable one. He was positively noted for his unexpectedly humble and matter-of-fact style of presentation and manners. Gen. Keitel, on the other hand, was seen by many as an arrogant person.
This is the only known sample of Hitler using his normal or near-normal speaking voice, and was used by the actor Bruno Ganz for his deeply impressive Hitler in "Der Undergang" (2004). It's strange to think that only less than three years from these clips Hitler would be doing "Das war ein Befehl!!" in his Berlin bunker! Hitler remained on Finnish ground for about four hours in the afternoon.
The speeches were originally recorded in the then normal 'multiple soft plastic discs' format, but at an unknown time were transferred on a war-time reel recorder plastic tape, of which apparently an unknown number of second (or third, counting the discs) generation copies were prepared. The apparently original 2nd generation tape was only discovered in the estate of a former YLE sound engineer Damén, who was involved with the recording of the official speeches, after his death in the 1990s.
Literature: (in Finnish)
Jukka Partanen: "Mannerhein ja Hitler". Gummerus, H:ki, 2012, ISBN 9789512087228
Safiulla, Cingiz: "Mannerheim ja kulkuneuvot": Kustantaja Laaksonen, H:ki, 2011 ISBN-139789525805338
For the English translation, I've tried to remain as close as possible to the original, while not in any word-by-word mode.
The text is based on an internet source, I have added the "unds" and others I could find, but I'd like comments from the native speakers of German on the missing quiet (whispering or half-whispering) bits.These are indicated by () or (()) in the subtitles.
The (previously) hard and difficult-to-hear, or overlooked parts -- as far as I can tell -- can be found at these approximate positions. The link on the right will take you to the point in another video that has only the difficult parts: (Turn on the German subtitles in that video as well.)
4:20 - 4:26 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=1s
0:43 - 0:57 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=15s
9:20 - 10:18 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=33s
12:30 - 12:53 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=1m28s
15:22 - 15:35 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=1m59s
15:50 - 16:10 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=2m17s
17:20 - 17:30 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=2m41s
19:00 - 19:20 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=2m55s
21:40 - 21:50 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=3m20s
22:50 - 23:08 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=3m35s
23:35 - 24:20 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=3m57s
24:55 - 25:09 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=4m48s
So, help is from our native German-speakers, or anyone with a keen ear for German, is appreciated, and comments are welcome!
The second recording is often called "the secret recording", and begins at 13:57 . In fact, there is nothing sensational about the recording,
The microphone was the same visible microphone used to record the official speeches in Mannerheim's personal railway car, it was only about two meters away from the gentlemen sitting down discussing. It is visible in the lead picture of this video, and was not "thrown into the compartment on the luggage racks" as was claimed by the former YLE sound engineer Damén, who was in possession of a tape copy. Damén perhaps made these claims in order to increase the sales value of the tape copy he had, the text of which was published in the press in Sweden, where he lived post-war, in 1947. There were no "SS guards" or even "German officers" who would have stopped the recording. It was terminated by a Finnish P.R. captain on his own initiative. The recording was secured but not destroyed nor confiscated.
Note: the speech by Mannerheim in a restaurant car that I have included pictures of, has been recorded as well, but is not connected to this recording. It was delivered both in German and in Finnish with a written German translation, which Hitler is seen to read in one of the pictures.
There were no German troops present, and they would have had no jurisdiction. For close personal support, Hitler brought with him a handful of German SS police officers, his military adjutants, his doctor and his valet. Hitler's vegetarian meals were prepared for him in advance by the Finnish HQ restaurant.
The same captain was also terrified by the guests having had lit up their cigars in the restaurant car after the dinner, as Hitler was a strict non-smoker. There was no "cigar smoke blown by Mannerheim onto Hitler's face", as sometimes has been claimed. We don't know what Hitler's exact reaction was, but we know that he himself offered Mannerheim a cigar to smoke when Mannerheim made the required courtesy visit to Germany the same summer.
The impression left by Hitler on the audience was mostly a favourable one. He was positively noted for his unexpectedly humble and matter-of-fact style of presentation and manners. Gen. Keitel, on the other hand, was seen by many as an arrogant person.
This is the only known sample of Hitler using his normal or near-normal speaking voice, and was used by the actor Bruno Ganz for his deeply impressive Hitler in "Der Undergang" (2004). It's strange to think that only less than three years from these clips Hitler would be doing "Das war ein Befehl!!" in his Berlin bunker! Hitler remained on Finnish ground for about four hours in the afternoon.
The speeches were originally recorded in the then normal 'multiple soft plastic discs' format, but at an unknown time were transferred on a war-time reel recorder plastic tape, of which apparently an unknown number of second (or third, counting the discs) generation copies were prepared. The apparently original 2nd generation tape was only discovered in the estate of a former YLE sound engineer Damén, who was involved with the recording of the official speeches, after his death in the 1990s.
Literature: (in Finnish)
Jukka Partanen: "Mannerhein ja Hitler". Gummerus, H:ki, 2012, ISBN 9789512087228
Safiulla, Cingiz: "Mannerheim ja kulkuneuvot": Kustantaja Laaksonen, H:ki, 2011 ISBN-139789525805338
For the English translation, I've tried to remain as close as possible to the original, while not in any word-by-word mode.
The text is based on an internet source, I have added the "unds" and others I could find, but I'd like comments from the native speakers of German on the missing quiet (whispering or half-whispering) bits.These are indicated by () or (()) in the subtitles.
The (previously) hard and difficult-to-hear, or overlooked parts -- as far as I can tell -- can be found at these approximate positions. The link on the right will take you to the point in another video that has only the difficult parts: (Turn on the German subtitles in that video as well.)
4:20 - 4:26 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=1s
0:43 - 0:57 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=15s
9:20 - 10:18 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=33s
12:30 - 12:53 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=1m28s
15:22 - 15:35 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=1m59s
15:50 - 16:10 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=2m17s
17:20 - 17:30 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=2m41s
19:00 - 19:20 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=2m55s
21:40 - 21:50 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=3m20s
22:50 - 23:08 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=3m35s
23:35 - 24:20 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=3m57s
24:55 - 25:09 youtu.be/7XC0nrPjCJk?t=4m48s
So, help is from our native German-speakers, or anyone with a keen ear for German, is appreciated, and comments are welcome!