The Devil and Demons, and Jesus... and religion(s)

Exorcisms

Let us now address exorcisms.


Regarding exorcisms, here's my best evidence, all equally important:

1) my uncle and aunt have seen one instance
2) my former girlfriend has seen one instance
3) Vigilant Christian and John Todd said they have been exorcised (if you need the exact audio where they say it, I can find it for you)
4) stories I have read on Father Gabriele Amorth (most famous Italian exorcist) and other Italian exorcists:

Here is a video with padre Amorth:



Exorcists priests


5) these videos below:



Real Exorcism Footage - First Video Of A Demonic Posession




Esorcismo in Diretta - Esorcismo Reale - Esorcismo Vero in Diretta


Also the famous writer Malachi Martin used to be an exorcist:



exorcist Malachi Martin interview (3 hours) topic: demonic possession and exorcism


I also have plenty of other videos but they are not as convincing.

And this is all just on evidence of exorcisms, but the evidence on people being possessed is really overwhelming. If anyone needs it, I can easily find that, too, and post it here. There is a ton of entertainers who even admit it and videos that show it.

Min. 2:28 of first video, she admits she gets demonically possessed:







More on the power of "Jesus Christ":



I COMMAND THESE fAKE CLOUDS TO DISAPPEAR AND THEY OBEY!!! WATCH AND SEE

I'd have to agree. 
I think often, many aspects of (for example) neuroscience are highly incomplete: and much of it is not public knowledge at the best of times. People have seizures, they react to all manner of stimuli. This doesn't mean demon, it means there's some mental upset. 
Hell as a concept is an absurdity. As part of theology, it's something that would be obselete or idiotic if God's anything like it's said. As an abstract, it still makes little sense. For example, demonic society: if they're all evildoers and sadists, they'd have wiped themselves out in a matter of days. If it's pure xenophobia on their part, why would they focus on humans? If they want to hurt us, possess major figures, or animals. 

That being said, it's mainly exorcisms I take issue with. I have seen far more reliable evidence against than for any kind of spiritual system, and without that spiritual basis exorcisms are meaningless. The cliche "I cast you out in the name of Jesus," are just words. The same effect should be achievable by any string of letters. To me, it seems more likely the benefit is psychological. The supposed-possessed is comforted by the knowledge that they're being helped, and the effect is akin to a placebo. 
That's just my opinion, mind you. 

I do, however, believe that many people do possess some form of paranormal ability. No one pretends our knowledge of the world is complete, the answers to those questions would likely lurk there, people are just too scared to seriously examine. 
Further, there are certainly many animals and species in the world more than what we're aware of. Many animals survive by concealing themselves, for example: it seems highly absurd we'd have a complete catalogue of each of those races. 
It seems to me many pacts and demons could be related to these. If I imagine people who found they possessed an odd ability, I suspect their instinct would be to blame something else. A deal with a demon is 'cool', it's edgy: actually being something other than a typical human is horrifying. 

This is just speculation, but it makes sense to me. 

True, but if thoughts/intention are the key, any string of words would still do. Using those specific words would have only tradition behind it. 
The question then becomes what the thought, or emotion, or desire, or intention behind the exorcism is. The logical one would be the desire to see the 'demon' leave, thus willing it to be: but if an exorcist is called, the possessed would have been swimming in that intention for a while, unaffected. 

Swimming in whose intention, the possessed, the universe? I don't think the logical one would be the desire to see the demon leave. The demon is evidence of the absence of the good, or God. The desire is the power and presence of the good, or God. Yes, that includes a desire for the demon to leave, but that is definitely not the whole picture. Evil is the absence of Good according to their theology. Getting rid of demon doesn't cut it.

I'm not even Christian and I am defending their theology.

Do you actual see things? Can you describe what they looked like? As a child I remember seeing a lot more than I see now and always being frightened. This fear lasted for years but can't remember seeing anything in particular, just sensing that something was there. Today I have no fear or very little and see nothing - wonder if the fear generated more 'things.'

It's hard to describe as they have all kind of different faces, the worst I've seen is a bit like the Lord of the rings the 'dead army' faces.  Others I see with strange eyes/noses which looks and feels as from the darkness instead of the light.  At the same time it feels as some are lost and others are perfectly aware of the light but choose to stay here..
Very true about not giving them attention, they feed of it as well.  A great Shaman told me that in the day to day life the best way is to be aware of them but not to think about it.. Very hard to do but I can feel them in the normal life but do not see them (or try not to concentrate on them).  It is the fear that you and we must all let go..

A song came up for me to share as I write this so thought I'd post it, about fear..

If you knew god is real would you kill somebody for money? You may find it good that some people to burn forever and ever, but that's just evil thinking and that's evil. You also have a fire for profile pic. how cute.

BTW did you see the doc. ?

I haven't read the bible, but have you seen this? www.tentmaker.org/articles/ifhellisreal.htm It seems that the bible don't speak about hell 

Good for you Yes it really is sickening what does priest says about hell. I don't even think they believe in god because why would some priest rape innocent boys? Sick godless world - meaning almost no one believe in god

My profile pic does not show the hellfire, but a campfire. What is a symbol for community, and not for punishment. I took it from here:

Oxidation

Just do a right klick on the pic in the article, and see, what name it has: Datei_Lagerfeuer.jpg

For me, religion is not a matter of punishment, but of community and philosophy of life. As a counterbalance to the identityless atomization of the Western culture, that knows only the destructive principles of competition, purpose and cultural conformity. There is a third way between sheeple and the Übermensch. Who disdain the sheeple, and refuses now all values, because of mistakes were made in the past by spreading fear of hellfire. I don't go in this trap.

About the doc: I am sorry, I prefer written texts. My skills of understanding spoken English are not good enough.

 

I don't think child abuse (and/or worse) is isolated in Norway - ALL cultures are guilty of this worst of all sins. Speaks volumns how cultures are eroding. Please don't turn on one another - this should be a safe place where we can express ourselves without fear. Too many 'aware' people are turning on each other and that's the last thing we should do!!

You can't handle insult so I try not to

That took you some time didn't it, Did it hurt a little? People who talk shit deserve shit

Okay maybe I over reacted, but she don't know me and never will. Even if she thinks she can read minds through a computer screen