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Post by admin on Jul 10, 2015 17:47:13 GMT 1
I am glad you appreciate the new forum appearance. Yes, it was too boring otherwise, and it looked like an office.
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Post by ute on Jul 10, 2015 17:56:37 GMT 1
I don't think child abuse (and/or worse) is isolated in Norway - ALL cultures are guilty of this worst of all sins. Speaks volumns how cultures are eroding. Please don't turn on one another - this should be a safe place where we can express ourselves without fear. Too many 'aware' people are turning on each other and that's the last thing we should do!! For me no problem. His rant just makes me smiling about. Because @andersdahl has now proved, that he is a human being with emotions. And everybody gets sometimes upset. And will later calm down again. We are all just humans, and no angels.
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Post by ute on Jul 10, 2015 18:04:36 GMT 1
I am glad you appreciate the new forum appearance. Yes, it was too boring otherwise, and it looked like an office. That's true. It is looking now very much better. And nevertheless the forum is loading fine, because the pic not too big. Well done. Very much better than Karutzar did.
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Post by admin on Jul 10, 2015 18:06:34 GMT 1
Oh yes, that forum is very very heavy to load. I told him several times. Thanks for the feedback.
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Post by thepenetrator on Jul 11, 2015 6:49:00 GMT 1
I think there really should be only one commandment, Do what you want as long as your not stopping someone else/animal do what they want. Period, that's it, if there's anything or anyone doing anything outside of that that commandment, it's negative and against The Law..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 16:43:27 GMT 1
As shown in this video with Bob Dylan... Bob Dylan on selling his Soul UndergroundGonzo...the many videos about people selling their souls to the devil are convincing to me. And, if the devil exists and you can sell your soul to him, then maybe there is hope for the opposite and eternal life for those who are not selling their souls. As far as I can tell, this is real, although very few people are actually selling their souls and most "sheeple" just aren't aware of this whole subject.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 13:38:15 GMT 1
Miley Cyrus to Get Devil Horns Implants !?! The Vigilant Christian
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 10:49:34 GMT 1
Flat Earth & Other Hot Potatoes #10 w/Patricia Steere & Rob Skiba Flat Earth and other hot potatoes hour 1:05:00 to 1:15:00 Rob Skiba tells us about his experience with the "shadow people" (which he considers to probably be the same as demons): they go away if you stop caring about them. "Spiritual hijackers" that "feed on fear". He also talks about angels, demons, fallen angels... very interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 17:11:56 GMT 1
Drunken Peasants Interview the Vigilant Christian - Amazing Atheist Idiocy Godrules
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 15:20:55 GMT 1
Nicolaus Copernicus Was A Satanist. ka rol
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Giordano Bruno: the Martyr of Hermetic Satanists and Freemasons. ka rol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 16:18:36 GMT 1
Pope Lucifer Francis believes, Jesus is the son of Satan. BLASPHEMY john lockett
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 23:28:50 GMT 1
A tip from a reader: "a little something that might explain to you why does God let evil happen": Cosmic Conflict - The Origin of Evil (AmazingFacts ©) 11:11 MinistriesI am not completely convinced by it. It doesn't clear up all my doubts.
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Post by paulsmith777 on Oct 4, 2015 9:46:54 GMT 1
A tip from a reader: "a little something that might explain to you why does God let evil happen": Cosmic Conflict - The Origin of Evil (AmazingFacts ©) 11:11 MinistriesI am not completely convinced by it. It doesn't clear up all my doubts. Hello! Thanks for inviting me here! First of all I would like to thank you for watching what I've sent. Now, I consider myself a beginner Christian so I have still to understand a lot of things myself but from my limited understanding I can tell you that there is one main reason why God lets evil happen: freewill. God has gifted all of his beings with free will. So God respects the freewill of everybody, even of evil people. The fact that Lucifer rebelled against him is the best proof that we have this freewill and we're not "robots" preprogrammed to love Him. Lucifer had the full liberty to reject God. Now, God has set a date when He will Judge all according to their deeds, Judgement day. So until that day He will let things unfold to Earth. Furthermore, a lot of what is happening is part of our "curse" of the original sin, since our ancestors Adam and Eve gave their will to Satan, the whole of Earth became a dominion of Satan, which became the King of this world. A lot of the evil happening in this world is also a direct consequence of our sinning. For instance, a country allows gay marriage, which is very unpleasant before God, so shortly after some kind of wrath might fall upon it. Or take Nepal for instance, just days before that major earthquake, Nepal just had a very pagan festival in which 250.000+ animals were slaughtered for pagan "gods", again very unpleasant before God and as a result hundreds of temples were destroyed in the process. God does not destroy anything but He can allow the evil forces to unfold their plans which might come as a punishment for our wrongdoings as collective. But that doesn't mean He has completely abandoned us to the powers of Satan. Many times plans of Satan are simply not allowed to unfold, see for instance all this hype about 23/9 when nothing happened. Satan and his minions always want complete and utter destruction, he would literally eat us alive. But he can only do as much as God allows him to. And if we become real bad, God might allow him to. Remember Sodom & Gomorrah? The Flood? One last thing I would like to say is that whenever you don't understand something, just give it time and patience. We don't really have the right to judge God in any way whatsoever. But we can pray to him and ask him to reveal to us some of His mysteries. However don't tempt God as we're not supposed to know everything. Like for instance why babies die at birth, or very young and very evil people live up to 100. It's not for us to know everything or to imperatively demand answers from God. First step for us is to become good and pleasant before God. And then through prayer to try to build a relationship with him. We must treat him with all the respect possible. Also, keep in mind and try to understand the saying : "Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 10:00:44 GMT 1
I don't mean to be disrespectful to you nor to god, but a god who does all these things you (and many others) are saying does not seem that good or reasonable to me. I am not saying these things aren't the case, but if they are, then he doesn't seem that good. If he were omnipotent and good, it seems to me that he could let everyone be in heaven and have a good time, since he has created everyone anyway, At any rate, to be more respectful, I will say that your description of god (and that of many others) doesn't make sense to me. Furthermore, the way many of us assess evil (e.g. Hitler) does not seem a fair method of assessing it, because I believe we are influenced by our upbringing and life experiences and that Hitler was no worse than all of us. He was that way because he had a different life than mine. With the same exact life, I would have been exactly the same. And lastly, regarding the fear of god, as I've said before to heathen, I don't feel I should be kissing up to my omnipotent boss: fsr.boards.net/post/2187/threadThis would be a nice topic to bring us all together for a conversation: you, heathen, I and the few other remaining members of this forum.
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Post by paulsmith777 on Oct 4, 2015 10:33:26 GMT 1
I don't mean to be disrespectful to you nor to god, but a god who does all these things you (and many others) are saying does not seem that good or reasonable to me. I am not saying these things aren't the case, but if they are, then he doesn't seem that good. If he were omnipotent and good, it seems to me that he could let everyone be in heaven and have a good time, since he has created everyone anyway, At any rate, to be more respectful, I will say that your description of god (and that of many others) doesn't make sense to me. Furthermore, the way many of us assess evil (e.g. Hitler) does not seem a fair method of assessing it, because I believe we are influenced by our upbringing and life experiences and that Hitler was no worse than all of us. He was that way because he had a different life than mine. With the same exact life, I would have been exactly the same. And lastly, regarding the fear of god, as I've said before to heathen, I don't feel I should be kissing up to my omnipotent boss: fsr.boards.net/post/2187/threadThis would be a nice topic to bring us all together for a conversation: you, heathen, I and the few other remaining members of this forum. You don't understand one thing, God's laws are sacred and can't be broken. Ofcourse God loves all people and wants to see all of them in Heaven but it's us men and women who CHOOSE the other side. We are serving Satan by not doing the right things, the will of God, and this is our free will, God never want's to reject anybody, on the contrary. We can't go to heaven on our terms, it must be in God's terms so that means at least to choose one master because nobody can serve 2 masters. But how can we say we serve God when we do all the ungodly things like abortion, killings, perversions and so on? It is our own free will that ultimately decides where we go, God can never brake this free will and save us by force otherwise he would brake his own sacred laws. God is all merciful and he always tries to call us to him, to bring us closer, he sends us good people to try to open our hearts and eyes to the truth of God, Jesus Christ, which offers us the ultimate gift: Salvation of the Soul and restoration into Heaven. Only people deceived by Satan reject this amazing Gift. God did so much for us, he even became human and came to give us the biggest moral lesson, that of self sacrifice, and we still don't get it. Remember, we can't get into heaven on our terms because we are lustful by default. Meditate about that for a moment... When we say as human beings that God doesn't seem reasonable to us it's only because of our limited knowledge, wisdom and understanding of God. Better to think with this attitude: "because of my limitations I don't understand yet..." but never question God's righteousness or love. God made this Universe and all in it, all the creation around us speaks of a God of love. Remember that Earth was made for us humans with all the love possible, it was our primordial parents that messed things up. But even so, God gave his only son Jesus Christ to redeem us, isn't that the ultimate proof of love that God has for humanity? People who have no fear of God, the creator of all, tend to be arrogant and too self centered. Thus, deceived by Satan, the one which had the original sin of pride. It's not as fearing a monster but as respecting a parent and trusting Him that He knows best for us, His children. Given the fact that He created us and everything else, it is very not right to have an attitude of disrespect, pride or superiority to Him. Therefore fear of God actually means to be humble to him and respect Him for what He truly is , our Lord, our Father, the Creator of everything. "Proverbs 9:10 says, “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.” Basically, this verse teaches that the fear of God is foundational to true wisdom; all other types of learning are worthless unless built upon a knowledge of the Lord Himself. Many other passages talk about the fear of the Lord (e.g., Psalm 111:10; Proverbs 1:7; 14:27; 15:33). Before we can understand how the fear of the Lord leads to wisdom, we need to define what the Bible means by “fear” in this context. In the Bible, the word translated “fear” can mean several things. It can refer to the terror one feels in a frightening situation (Deuteronomy 2:25). It can mean “respect” in the way a servant fears his master and serves him faithfully (Joshua 24:14). Fear can also denote the reverence or awe a person feels in the presence of greatness (Isaiah 6:5). The fear of the Lord is a combination of all of these. Fear of the Lord can be defined as “the continual awareness that our loving heavenly Father is watching and evaluating everything we think, say, and do” (Matthew 12:36; Psalm 139:2; Jeremiah 12:3). As Jesus told each of the seven churches in Revelation 1—2, “I know your works.” Nothing escapes His attention. In order to develop the fear of the Lord, we must recognize God for who He is. We must glimpse with our spirits the power, might, beauty, and brilliance of the Lord God Almighty (Revelation 11:17; Hosea 12:5; Isaiah 6:1–5). Those who fear the Lord have a continual awareness of Him, a deep reverence for Him, and sincere commitment to obey Him."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 10:43:12 GMT 1
I still see lots of discrepancies, contradictions, and I could raise thousands of objections, but I don't want to offend you or hurt your sensibility, since I see that you really care about this subject, so I will be quiet, and maybe let the others say what they think.
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Post by paulsmith777 on Oct 4, 2015 10:51:17 GMT 1
I still see lots of discrepancies, contradictions, and I could raise thousands of objections, but I don't want to offend you or hurt your sensibility, since I see that you really care about this subject, so I will be quiet, and maybe let the others say what they think. You can't offend me with anything even if you try. Feel free to share your contradictions, questions and so on, if I can in any way to help you understand I will gladly do that. We all have questions that need answers... PS: i've updated the post above with a few things I've found
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 12:06:31 GMT 1
OK, I will start with a couple of objections, in order not to make the thread too heavy to read. fsr.boards.net/post/2464/threadIf god is good, then I should not fear him. It is true that I am considered "arrogant" and "self-centered" by others. On the other hand, these others who consider me arrogant and self-centered: 1) do not work at the office, while I work my ass off all day long, compensating for their slacking-off 2) attack immigrants for being dishonest (while they steal by not working), while I defend immigrants 3) while they have a salary which is four times as large as mine, they do not work, and they do not give money to people begging in the street, while I usually give them money 4) they say that god is good, while I have doubts about this In the end, let god send these people who fear him and say beautiful things about him to heaven, despite the fact that they don't do anything good. And let god send me to hell, because, despite being ten times a better person than them, I raise questions about him. This would not be a good and fair god anyway, so I am not going to plan my life according to this concept.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 12:50:56 GMT 1
Here's a video where at the end they show a possessed person, working with demons to implement his magic tricks: What if Satan, Flat Earth, and Jesus are not what you think BIOlogically ToXiouS
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Post by paulsmith777 on Oct 4, 2015 13:35:23 GMT 1
Ok, let's take it step by step. First of all, before God we are all equal, we are all sinners. There is nobody better than somebody else. The only human being that was good and without sin was Jesus Christ, the Son of God. If you think you are better than others you are living in a deception. Maybe you are better than others at SOME things but you might still be very sinful before God, therefore no better. So this reason alone should bring more humbleness when we compare ourselves to others. Maybe some other people appear worse to you in some respects, but they might please God with other things, like sharing their wealth with the poor, going to church and giving praise to the Lord, helping the needy and so on. So you never can know how is a person. For this reason alone Christ asks us to first look at our own shortcomings: "Matthew 7:3-5New International Version (NIV) 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." We do not have the right to judge if others deserve or not Heaven or Hell, that's is only for the true Judge to decide. When we do that we make ourselves the Judge so we take this role away from the true Judge, God. Do not worry about their shortcomings either as God shall reward or punish them according to their deeds. What you need to make sure of is that you keep God's commandments and you are trying to be as holy as possible. This is the only way you can prove that you indeed love God, your maker, you are keeping his word. Otherwise it's not true love. When we keep his word we prove Him that it's not just a belief based on nothing but a belief that is manifested in day to day life. Let me give you another example, I see a man stealing and then I start to condemn him because he broke one of God's commandments. But you know what is said in the Bible? If you brake one you brake all. So how many are you keeping? That guy might be stealing but you might be committing adultery in your heart by watching porn and lusting at other women. So how are you any better? God is absolutely good, there is no way that He is not good. Only Satan, his opponent, is not good. God created everything beautiful in the world. This lovely planet, the flowers, the birds, the animals, the harmonious landscapes, the beautiful human beings. All these reflect qualities of God. The 10 commandments reflect the righteousness of God. But now we are living in the time of grace because of Jesus Christ. When we will be judged,it is said that God's mercy is bigger than his righteousness. But we shall be judged also according to how we judged others. Did you show mercy? Did you show forgiveness? Then you shall have it too. Also, God cannot forgive our sins if we don't forgive those who trespass against us. I think you should just read the New Testament,that's the Word of God,the ultimate moral code for humanity which brings us the gift of salvation. Who wouldn't want to live in the Kingdom of Heaven along with all the saints and angels? This is not an impossibility. This is something open for grabbing for absolutely everybody. We really have no excuses. It's hard to brake the chains of sin, that keep us obedient to satan, but if we at least show the will and ask God to help us, he will ultimately deliver us in a way or another. God will never forsaken the people who really believe in him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 13:44:43 GMT 1
Thanks for the detailed feedback. We could go on and on forever, because I still disagree with many things. But for now let's take a break and let's wait for someone else to say their opinion.
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Post by heathen on Oct 5, 2015 4:07:51 GMT 1
I guess I'm pretty much the 'someone else' as there's only two regular posters (which I don't really mind at all. But it'd be nice to find one more person collecting various interesting info/videos too).
I don't have much to say on this. I can see the struggle with the question of God being good or not, as a more important question than, if God is real or not. Anyway, I can relate to such a struggle. And who knows, maybe such a struggle is what God wants us to have. Maybe is it is like a 3 dimensional koan we are living in. I have no idea if you guys are trinitarians or not, but it is the trinity and Jesus being God which helps bridge this contradiction. But that bridge does not provide an answer to how God is good and the problem of evil. I only see the cross/trinity as something that can provide a peace between those contradictions or, a way to transcend the question.
I only believe in Christ, in as much as I see Christ on the Cross as a representation of this existence being partly based on a fundamental aspect, sacrifice. But as I have said before, I believe the 2nd aspect of the world is strength. I know people will say there's strength in sacrifice but that is only one aspect of strength. But that is beyond the topic at hand. At least this may be true only of modern Christianity.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 6:16:03 GMT 1
Thanks for the feedback. You speak a complex language, which shows great knowledge, just like dionysios, who hopefully will drop by to write a line or two. Personally I don't have much knowledge (but a lot of thinking yes). Also, I am not saying that those who speak simple, like for example paulsmith777 and I, do not have knowledge. Sometimes people like to simplify things, whereas other people don't do it as much.
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Post by heathen on Oct 5, 2015 6:23:49 GMT 1
Haha, well, maybe I am just writing how I understand things from my point of view and so it just comes out harder to understand for that reason.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 14:07:52 GMT 1
Maybe your concepts could not be made any simpler. Usually you don't speak complicated.
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