Airplanes / Ships / Trains and Flat Earth

Eh eh... I may one day make an exception and meet some flat earthers in person. First I need to quit my job, because until then I will not be in the mood. When I am pissed off, I am shy. My job pisses me off, constantly.

Regarding your theory, I am not going to be able to comment on it, and never have attempted to do so, because I am not knowledgeable enough (not even to understand your theory). I first would have to read the texts you have been recommending.

I've done Skype before, with other flat earthers, but the problem for some reason is that Skype is extremely heavy lately. It used to work perfectly for years and years, but maybe as part of the Illuminati agenda, the mainstream operating systems and software are getting worse and worse.

Well, another question is how can I be Italian and honest, precise, meticulous, hard-working? I am surrounded by sloppy slackers at my office who joke around all day long.

Yes, let me know if you find a program similar to Skype that doesn't make me reboot my computer 5 minutes after I turned it on.

Flat Earth Vuelo fool lie o 7Transpolar8 Flight Hoax AR1181 AeroLineas Argentinas CARRIE!HOAX Part 1
Dave Johnson




Flat Earth Vuelo fool lie o 7Transpolar8 Flight Hoax AR1181 Argentinas CARRIE! HOAX Part 2
Dave Johnson

Pretty smart and hard-working debunker:



Round or flat earth - 2015 (documentary)
King Fred II

Circumnavigating the flat earth by air
GeoShifter

Regarding Antonio Subirats's above video "Flat Earth Slam Dunk 3: Auckland Flights," all this shows is 1) that he is an idiot; 2) he has too much time on his hands; 3) he was probably educated by the America educational system or equivalent because he really isn't capable of much higher thought in spite of what his Youtube channel profile says.

"My name is Antonio Subirats, and I have a brilliant mind, not like the one in 'a beautiful mind' but kind of like that one, brilliant enough in any case to know that the main reason the rest of the world is not aware of this is that I'm lazy."

First off, he obviously believes what he reads on the internet. The site where he got his information from is How Far is it Between. I checked this site using the same cities he entered and sure enough it lists Auckland, New Zealand to Santiago, Chile as 6015.55 nm, and Auckland, New Zealand to Los Angeles, CA as 6529.36 nm. This site he used does NOT use airport codes nor latitude and longitude but rather city names. And it even has a separate choice for Los Angeles International Airport as opposed to just Los Angeles, CA. But even the distance from Auckland, New Zealand to Los Angeles International Airport is still listed as 6523.58 nm.

Then I checked the Flight Manager and got the following distances. AKL-SCL 5,223.01 nm, and AKL-LAX is 5,651.92 nm. Antonio Subirats's distances are more than 15% greater than these distances!? And finally to check I used my flat earth locator spreadsheet to calculate these two distances. This calculation uses spherical trigonometry to calculate great circle arcs (i.e. the shortest surface distance between two points on a sphere), and got the following AKL-SCL 5,217.68 nm (0.1% difference), and AKL-LAX 5,668.64 nm (0.3% difference). Less than 0.5% is statistically significant, therefore with great certainty we can say that the Flight Manager distances are correct.

So far from Antonio Subirats slam dunking the flat earth, he has done nothing of the sort and just shown 1) how gullible he is; 2) he doesn't get independent checks on his work; and 3) he is totally ignorant of REAL geodesy!!

Eric Dubay and Matt Boylan Flight to South Pole
The Last Relevant Sage

I've thought some more regarding Antonio Subirats's above video. I'm a moron. The Free Map Tools calculator, How Far Is It Between is correct, however it gives its distances between two cities in STATUTE miles rather than in nautical miles as I assumed. The problem is that it does not distinguish/label the distance as either s.m. or n.m., but simply miles.

See these two web pages for an understanding of the difference between a statute mile and a nautical mile:
What Is The Difference Between A Mile And A Nautical Mile?
Mile, Nautical and Statute

This would make the distance from Auckland, New Zealand to Santiago, Chile as 6015.55 s.m (or 5227.47 n.m.), and Auckland, New Zealand to Los Angeles, CA as 6529.36 s.m. (5,673.97 n.m.). The Flight Manager does label its distances in nautical miles, which is probably the standard distance unit in air travel.

These distances from the How Far Is It Between site are probably to the actual airports as they are quite close. The Auckland, New Zealand to Santiago, Chile distance of 5227.47 n.m. is 0.1% different than the Flight Manager distance, and the Auckland, New Zealand to Los Angeles, CA distance of 5,673.97 n.m. is 0.4% different--essentially the same as my calculator gave.

So where does Antonio Subirats come up with an alleged 2,000 statute mile discrepancy? (minute 4:16). There isn't a 2,000 s.m. discrepancy. The actual discrepancy/difference in distance between these two places is only 513.8 s.m. (or 446.5 n.m.).

I see two major problems. Firstly, there are obvious problems with the tools that he is using. The string, the paper, and the globe are all not very precise. The globe is probably an exact sphere and therefore not representative of the "bulge" around the equator. The estimated Earth Radius is 6,378.137 km around the equator, and 6,356.752 km around the poles. By measuring with such small tools he is bound to get large errors.

Secondly, the problem is the way he measured these two distances. He simply put his paper and string haphazardly on the globe. These routes are probably not the way the airplanes actually fly. The planes would fly using great circle arcs which are the shortest distances between two points on a sphere.

You'll get no disagreement from me regarding the U.S. being a global troublemaker. They have been infiltrated and controlled by the Jesuits since probably around the time of the Civil War.

However, regarding the global unit of measure. I agree that the metric system is hands down way better than the Imperial system of measure, at least for the modern world. However, one reason why I think we still need it is because it is a key to understanding the ancient world and megalithic monuments. I think that one of the reasons the world is pushing for total conversion to metric is to remove the imperial system from human memory, and with it the key to the past.

I would like C.B.S. to comment here because of his interest in megalithic monuments. And when I get the time, I will also add to this discussion.

I don't think you should cut down swearing, although I guess the audience might be religious in that way. Maybe you should get on Patricia's show and talk about other hot potatoes, like your opinion of her and Mark etc.   But I bet she doesn't want to hold that hot potato! Guys in costumes, and ski asks get on her show, so an Italian should be acceptable...hahaha 

Also, the guest count has increased. 

Understanding Flat Earth and Air flights!
GodlovesOurPassion

Hypocrite Flat Earthers Named and Shamed
TigerDan925

Something's fishy about this and his previous video. Why did he wait six months before figuring out that these flights are allegedly taking place? If we are flat earthers, it is because we gather that they don't really happen. If he believes they happen, why on earth did he even become a flat earther?

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Finally a reasonable video by the (smart but usually extremely redundant) Jesse Spots, this time on TigerDan925, who (unlike Jesse Spots's suspicions) is probably not a shill but one of these people who get so mad that they're willing to take back all their beliefs (on flat earth) to spite others who, he feels, have wronged him:



Rebuking an Energy-Draining Spirit within Flat Earth
Jesse Spots

Actually in the second half he as usual makes his message as confused and redundant as possible. He certainly does not have a gift for synthesis.

7:49
Masonic hand sign, to make things even more confusing.

This link was provided by a youtuber named supacool69 in a comment of the Jesse spots video, Rebuking an Energy-Draining Spirit within Flat Earth.

Shipping lane routes map from the CIA's website.

I'm still bothered by Jesse doing that weird gesture with his eye and putting his face in the camera. He already speaks in vague terms all the time...