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Post by admin on Jun 28, 2015 2:11:03 GMT 1
YouTube channel: markksargent - YouTubeHis own radio show, "Strange World" at Truth Frequency Radio: Mark Sargent – Strange World - Truth Frequency RadioStreaming radio show is here (Sunday morning from 2 AM to 4 AM, Central European Time): panel2.directhostingcenter.com/tunein.php/lhxmjttq/playlist.asxHis show's web site: enclosedworld.comBlog: www.urbansurvivalusa.comemail (source: YouTube page): msargent23@comcast.net phone number (source: YouTube page): 303-494-6631phone number which is registered to Patricia Sargent (someone should ask mark "who is patricia sargent?", whether it could be Patricia Steere): www.wpcolorado.com/coloradan/city/profile/boulder/16323/patricia-sargent/83382413/ Joseph Turcotte argues that it is probably his mother, and at any rate not anyone who is as young as Patricia Steere: www.familytreenow.com/records/people/sargent/mark/oduncyidtuxskuk57cmllw www.familytreenow.com/search/people/results?first=Patricia&middle=P&last=Sargent&dobyyyy=1943&rid=0s0&smck=FYPm0ZtuiYBVNMXE8vdh6A For my minute-by-minute comments (and others') on previous Mark Sargent's interviews, please go here: ifers.boards.net/thread/41/interview-mark-sargentAs a summary, my clues pro-shill theory are: 1) too many interviews in just 2 weeks where radio hosts say "I just came across your video and started considering flat earth..." 2) too much talking about "dome builders" and non-Christian expressions such as "whoever created this" and then he quickly answered UNreal's question at his first fakeologist interview, "are you a Christian?", with "yes!". That sounds insincere given everything else he has been saying. The non-shill clues are: 1) he sounds very sincere 2) he is very polite via email to unknown fans 3) he talks about his personal life all the time, people, family, places 4) he provides personal details in each of his videos, such as phone number, house address, and email ------- Whenever I hear Mark Sargent talk about who's behind all this, with all his unclear references, I feel like he knows something that I don't know, and he's not telling it to me. It is frustrating, and even more so because I don't know if he is bluffing. |
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Post by admin on Jun 28, 2015 13:44:11 GMT 1
Strange World Episode 10 - Flat Earth, Jeranism, and NASA
At minute 34, Mark Sargent and Jeranism discuss the mad flat earth world (especially since Eric Dubay rules it), and Jeranism's problems at IFERS. They even mention Serendipitous and provide the link to it, and even mention "acenci", in a neutral way. I emitted a sigh of relief. They are two balanced people, and I'd be sorry if they said something bad about me.
At minute 58 Jeranism explains what really happened with the bitcoin business and why he's been accused of stealing money.
They talk about this "shill" subject for the next thirty minutes.
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Post by heathen on Jul 11, 2015 1:35:44 GMT 1
Here's Jesse Spot's take on Mark Sargent's comment for his rainbow video. He says Mark works for the CIA. I think it's funny he went straight to Hitler in under 2 minutes. Flat Earth Flattery |
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Post by admin on Jul 11, 2015 5:22:39 GMT 1
Interesting, heathen, and here's something that supports the opposite belief, that oddly has not yet been removed from IFERS: ifers.boards.net/post/12520/thread Oh, that's why he hasn't been banned yet: He is the richest and most generous flat earther that ever existed. Nice job, Eric, ruthless with the small people, even if they are your fans, and tolerant with the rich non-fans, who have a pizza with Mark Sargent. I got banned and defamed as a "shill" by you because I said that maybe Mark Sargent was not a "shill". Instead Mark Sargent is still a member there, and this rich flat earther, who met him for dinner, not only does not get banned, but he even gets to argue with you on whether Mark Sargent is a "shill" or not: ifers.boards.net/post/12524/threadNice coherent behavior, in line with your "compassionate"spirit and ideals of "peace". Rude to the weak and nice to the strong, whether it's because they are rich or because they have a lot of YouTube fans. Nice truther ideals. Related post here: fsr.boards.net/post/797/thread |
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Post by heathen on Jul 13, 2015 0:33:09 GMT 1
I like Mark's sense of humor and always enjoy his jokes about working for the NSA, etc. I'm listening to the newest strange world show.
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Post by heathen on Jul 13, 2015 1:45:51 GMT 1
Mentions Jesse Spot's rainbow video and the reaction to Mark's response. youtu.be/pKd3GkdzAXc?t=4653Also talks about The Dubay's Enemies List. |
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Post by admin on Jul 13, 2015 5:49:23 GMT 1
Thanks for the link.
I recently had the same experience as Mark Sargent: being suspected of being a "shill" because I am polite. In a community where rudeness is the rule, this is what happens and I find it very sad. If you are rude and intolerant like Eric Dubay and many other flat earthers, you get to accuse and defame Mark and other polite people of being "shills", mostly because on the ground that they are polite. So we get screwed twice. Not only do we have to be polite to rude people, but we also get accused and have to prove that we are not "shills". The only way to accept this, is to accept that you're living in the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
It had happened at IFERS, where I was verbally abused by Lizardking and Thinkforyourself, and then accused of being a "shill" because I didn't retaliate (but if you retaliate, they say that you retaliate because you are a "shill" in a desperate state of mind).
And recently it happened again, with other people. I am learning a statistical approach to flat earthers and humans, so I don't get upset and disappointed each time. This is my therapy. It forces me to get insulted and disappointed so many times that it will eventually become statistics and I will accept reality, instead of always expecting from people to live up to my unrealistic standards.
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Post by admin on Jul 13, 2015 13:02:23 GMT 1
fsr.boards.net/post/724/threadFound this today. (by coincidence, I see that Mark Sargent is currently being showed as the first comment.) I just subscribed to this guy because his videos look like they might be interesting. Rainbow Proves a Dome. Make Videos - FLAT EARTH Here's Jesse Spot's take on Mark Sargent's comment for his rainbow video. He says Mark works for the CIA. I think it's funny he went straight to Hitler in under 2 minutes. Flat Earth FlatteryI am listening to the link you recommended, and Mark replies to him at 1:17:40: Strange World Episode 12 - Flat Earth Friendshipminute 7 On how he learned to deal with all sorts of people and not get angry. Good advice for many flat earthers, including myself. minute 34 On Eric Dubay's Flat Earth Shill Wall of Shame: ifers.boards.net/thread/573/flat-earth-shill-wall-shameminute 35 On Eric Dubay's 4-hour "anti-Zionist" or "antisemitic" (depending on the point of view) documentary posted on his YouTube channel: Adolf Hitler vs The Jew World OrderAfter Matthew Boylan, now Mark Sargent, too, takes a stand against the overwhelming antisemitism in the flat earth community. minute 37 On Matt Boylan minute 51 On Rob Skiba hour 1:03 He's referring to this entry at IMDB, for the "movie" someone made by putting together all his videos: www.imdb.com/title/tt4743410/hour 1:06 He mentions Zetetic Flat Earth as an important channel. My entry here: fsr.boards.net/thread/48/zetetic-flat-earth
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Post by heathen on Jul 14, 2015 2:27:08 GMT 1
I still think his talk on wars ceasing and humanity becoming one big family when humanity believe's, or knows the flat earth is real, sounds like a one-world-religion-esque nightmare to me.
I'd sure like to know what his religious and philosophical beliefs are. Because I'd like to know how he goes from our world not being based on physicalist secularism to one big family on earth where wars cease. I mean, it is somewhat logical, in theory, that if our group identities become fluid and we identify as one big family, war ceases. I didn't say that was realistic, rational or even desirable though, but I can see the logic, and that looks like one world religion to me.
Apparently, us knowing the earth is flat, and therefore created somehow (I mean matter derives from mind, and not the opposite), it will make us drop our group identities, including religious ones, and be one family? Haha, what?
He even says almost all of human history humans believed the earth to be flat. They generally didn't have physicalism/atheism as a choice since the philosophy didn't take a stronghold until relatively recently. And we had wars, fighting and competition, especially over resources before that. What religious or philosophical beliefs does he hold that categorizes those things as bad or sinful? There should be some worldview or value system that he has which tells him those are wrong because it isn't necessarily the case that they are wrong.
I agree that if it becomes widely known that we don't live on a ball in a enormously cold universe without purpose it will be better for humanity's psyche. I think humanity would revert to a more natural state that fits their psyche. Meaning, there would be purpose, meaning, and be at the center of the universe. But also, humanity's natural state is to form group identities which include in group and out groups. It's just the truth. Look around, anyone reading this does this with their own family (under normal healthy circumstances).
This whole thing, treat others better than you treat yourself, is his own commandment, unless he says what his religion or philosophy is which commands that. Anyone who literally tries following that is going to be trampled upon as far as I can see. And no, I don't believe I'm saying that just because I have low moral understanding.
I'm saying this, because this, of all things about Mark Sargent, is what I am most skeptical of. I want him to talk about what his own religious or philosophical views are so it's clear where he is getting that commandment and where he thinks knowledge of the flat earth will make humanity into one big family comes from. Look at how we talk today, we're One Globe, the globe, global humanity, that is all ONE.
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Post by admin on Jul 14, 2015 5:49:55 GMT 1
Yes, even when I was at IFERS, and was influenced by their paranoia, the religious aspects of his views were the ones I was suspicious about, as I also mentioned in my first post on this thread. However, after being mistreated for being nice by rude and unfair truthers for so many months, I am starting to think that the rule in this community is that people are rude, and whoever is nice gets suspected, and pushed away. You either develop a statistical approach (accepting that every so many hours you will be verbally abused by someone), or you're not going to last in this community. I even would go as far as suggesting to people like me and Mark Sargent to stop being nice to these people, and to be more neutral. If you think about it, it rationally does not make sense to be nice to people you feel sorry for, and then be suspected and mistreated as a consequence. You might as well be more neutral, and not lose your temper when you are abused. You save energies, and use them for something where they pay off. I am not saying to be rude, but going out of your way to be nice to flat earthers is like "pearls before swine". Many of these people are so used to being verbally abused and to verbally abusing people that they will be made uncomfortable by your good manners, and abuse you even more because of this. But this was all an excellent learning experience for me. I learned that being nice in certain environments has diminishing and even negative returns. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returnsIn February, I started being on these forums because I was interested in flat earth. Now I am still here mostly because I am interested in psychology, and statistics. As with other humans, the best method is not "show the other cheek" but the stick and the carrot. But in this environment you have to use a stick that doesn't escalate conflict and does not destroy relationships, although you will even be more tempted to do so, given their behavior. Whereas in our daily life, we can say something as "how dare you talk to me like that?" without breaking a relationship with someone, because they are a friend, a relative or a neighbor, on a flat earth forum, saying something like that will be sufficient for the verbal abuser to use it as a pretext to virtually "kill" you, by deleting accounts, blocking, banning someone from their forum, etcetera. So, given that it's best to preserve relationships, both for the verbal abuser's benefit (educating him is better than breaking all contact with him), and for yours (being able to talk to people is better than being totally isolated), on the web, and especially on flat earth forums, all you can use as a stick is silence. So, rules: 1) be nice to those who are not made uncomfortable by it, and who show appreciation for it 2) be less nice to those who get suspicious and are made uncomfortable by good manners, after a lifetime of abuse (also because it forces them to be nice back, which to them might be exhausting -- so they'll be nice for a while, but one day they will get mad at you because you forced them to be nice to you by being nice to them) 3) stick and carrot method: simply do not answer to insults by being quiet, but never retaliate, because that will cause the relationship to be ended by the verbal abuser 4) do not get mad or take anything personally, because that will make you want to end these relationships. Yet you can't do that, because in this environment, if you end relationships with rude people, you almost have no relationships left. So, accept abuse as a statistical phenomenon, that will happen almost as frequently as pleasant interaction, and all this provided that you are nice all the time. This gets easier after you get insulted a few hundred times. |
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Post by admin on Jul 18, 2015 9:42:35 GMT 1
Flat Earth Mark Sargent is NOT a shillStargods
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Post by heathen on Jul 20, 2015 4:28:30 GMT 1
Strange World Episode 13 - Flat Earth Brainstorming
What he talks about here is what I have been wondering. I would sometimes think Mark Sargent was a part of this but it mostly doesn't look like it to me.
I remember in the past when I looked up flat earth I would see some Matt Boylan videos and that's all I really saw. Then I looked into it again a few months before Mark showed up. After Mark did his videos it went viral. I'm just saying, it's weird how big it has gotten. If I recall correctly, I saw more concave stuff online when I was interested before, like the wild heretic and others. It all makes me wonder what's going to come of all this.
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Post by admin on Jul 25, 2015 6:27:03 GMT 1
Old interview by Mark Sargent with Patricia Aiken, where he mentions Crrow777, at minute 5 and subsequent minutes, and he says how his appreciation of Crrow777's work has caused divergences and disagreements with Eric Dubay: Flat Earth Clues Interview 11 - Is Mark Sargent a shill?markksargent minute 13 and subsequent minutes Mark explains how one can create refined and quality documentaries with the simple and obsolete software of Windows Movie Maker. minute 20 On why he stopped playing with the globe ball in his hand during interviews Later comments by interviewer Patricia Aiken: ifers.boards.net/post/4252/thread |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 21:23:11 GMT 1
Flat Earth Clues Interview 27 - Authentic Enlightenment Radio via Phonemarkksargentminute 12:40 The usual talk about "whoever built this place", as if we are in someone's laboratory, as its guinea pigs. I always find it suspicious, as I did months ago, when I was still at IFERS. How can he say he is a Christian (cf. his interview to fakeologist, answering a question by UNreal from Paris, who asked "are you a Christian?" and he promptly replied "yes!"). But maybe he has Christian values, and that is what he meant. Someone who says "whoever built this place" does not sound like a regular Christian to me.
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Post by heathen on Aug 17, 2015 2:27:56 GMT 1
I wish the caller asked, well, are you a Christian Freemason? The builders, dome, etc etc.
He could be trying to be objective. If it is flat, well, it is hard to explain how it wasn't created. Objectively, you could talk as if it was created but not specify who created it. None the less, the word builder/s is still odd. He talks like we are in a machine or tank on someone's desk. I think it's funny though, I can tolerate it, unless there's some important part of his philosophy he's forgetting to mention. I'm not saying there is anything else but his words are odd in regard to creation especially in the Christian context.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 5:17:03 GMT 1
Yes, as we've said before, that's the part that makes us suspicious, and, when you say "the caller", you're referring to UNreal from the Fakeologist interview, which I have mentioned on my first post of this thread: fsr.boards.net/post/183/thread |
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Post by heathen on Aug 22, 2015 5:42:54 GMT 1
One of Mark Sargent's favorite books is, Morals and Dogma? I'd like to know more about the book along with what he likes about it. It's a very long book, I have no plans to read it. One reviewer said it's pointless to read if there aren't illustrations for the symbolism. www.blogger.com/profile/11312085350095481431 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 22:03:37 GMT 1
The Real Mark Sargent! The Flat Earth Mark Sargent is a Character inspired by the MS Exec Anthony B. |
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Post by heathen on Aug 27, 2015 4:20:59 GMT 1
I wish I could watch that Anthony B. video but he has the music on too high and I wish he'd get the point faster. It's just too hard to listen to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 13:39:17 GMT 1
Yeah, I listened to the whole thing, but I could not grasp the points he was making. He's not good at simplifying things.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 12:30:06 GMT 1
Wow, right from the start I thought to myself, what a gentleman this Mark Sargent is: Flat Earth & Other Hot Potatoes #3 w/Patricia Steere & Mark Sargent Flat Earth and other hot potatoesNow that I can see his entire face, I somehow feel that I can totally trust him. He's a little bit overweight but also he looks honest. The overall impression I get is that now I can trust him. But then, if I trust him, and I think he's not an agent, then all of a sudden we all owe him a lot of apologies for having suspected him. Especially Eric Dubay owes him a lot of apologies. minute 10-11 He believes in flat earth AND hollow earth at once. By the way, here's Eric Dubay's comments from a post at IFERS: |
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Post by heathen on Sept 3, 2015 1:55:54 GMT 1
Maybe some do, but it comes with territory, he said so himself.
I'll have to watch that video. People with special abilities told him to stop at 13? Yeah, well, if he said that I think it's okay to be skeptical still.
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Post by heathen on Sept 3, 2015 4:17:39 GMT 1
I watched where he said, people with special abilities. Haha, he just said it and kept on going. It is nice to see a clear view him. Although, I am skeptical of him I found him the most likable and has a good personality.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 23:49:58 GMT 1
Both Mark Sargent and Rob Skiba are on this online radio show: Flat Earth Clues Interview 32 - Perceptions Radio with Rob Skiba via Skype Audio markksargent |
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Post by heathen on Sept 20, 2015 4:15:47 GMT 1
Mainly watching this for Mark. Jonathon and Mark are good together though. Mark is the most enjoyable and normal of all the flat earth leaders.
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Post by heathen on Sept 20, 2015 5:13:05 GMT 1
And this is why I like Mark Sargent. He's funny, he knocked Joe Rogan, and he sounds normal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 22:17:28 GMT 1
If you asked me, I would say my two favorites are TheMorgile and waykiwayki. They are the ones who seem rational and not adding anything out of wanting to get more subscribers (e.g. Jeranism and MrThriveAndSurvive), out of being exalted (e.g. Matt Boylan and Stars are Souls), out of being paranoid (e.g. Russianvids and Eric Dubay).
Mark Sargent is the most well-mannered flat earther, but he talks too much (he has his talk show, it seems he's more interested in having an audience than doing research), and he adds things that are not very grounded and provable, such as the "dome builders".
Dubay in this sense is a bit better but he adds all the religious beliefs that are even less grounded, and he has a huge ego and huge paranoia.
I really think the best two are those I mentioned, in that they are not affected by any of these: wanting money, subscribers, popularity, boosting their ego, and they are not exalted, so they are not going to go off on a tangent, like let's say Matt Boylan or Stars are Souls, because today they're feeling in a certain state of mind. They are always going to deliver the same content and use the same methodology. If they are in a special mood, they are not going to make a video.
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Post by heathen on Sept 21, 2015 1:43:37 GMT 1
I am interested in research up to a point. I like simple arguments, such as the island ones you recently posted by waykiwayki, "mirages" and things like that. They are the most convincing to me. I don't really watch waykiwayki, but I do watch themorgile, he does seem intelligent, which I like. And I watch Jeranism. Sometimes I don't get what Jeran is talking about and that could be because I will often listen while doing other things. But also, I am unsure if Jeran knows what he is talking about sometimes, that's my impression. But I also think Jeran is smart. I like Jeranisms critique of science itself, although I like the science of understanding our world.
I like Mark Sargent the best because he does talk more and I like thinking about what flat earth would do to people and society if they also believed in flat earth. It is similar to my study of flat earthers themselves in a way. And what no globe, no outer space travel, would do to all of science, schools and universities, for that matter. And what this means for the nature of our world and its metaphysics. And Mark is the one closest to talking about those things on top of me liking his personality and humor.
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