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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 22:08:42 GMT 1
It must be difficult for you to have your beliefs shattered.
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Post by heathen on Feb 21, 2016 22:12:35 GMT 1
No, my beliefs aren't shattered at all. You are making this Mark Sargent thread, in the FE section, about what you think is more important than what I have to say.
I have been working on the actual topic with an argument. I'm not going to sit back and have another thread hijacked for something unrelated when I have put in the time and thought for the actual topic at hand. It's rude.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 22:19:20 GMT 1
Not at all, Andrea and I have a conversation going on. This is supposed to be a 'Freethinking' forum.
You don't own this forum or thread and you don't decide what two people here are talking about.
Btw, I don't care what you believe. You can fool yourself, but if you start deciding what Andrea and I can and may not talk about, I'm out.
Goodbye.
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Post by heathen on Feb 21, 2016 22:26:43 GMT 1
Not at all, Andrea and I have a conversation going on. This is supposed to be a 'Freethinking' forum. You don't own this forum or thread and you don't decide what two people here are talking about. Btw, I don't care what you believe. You can fool yourself, but if you start deciding what Andrea and I can and may not talk about, I'm out. Goodbye. There is a thing called forum etiquette. There are rules and eitquette to forums. There is a thing called thread hijacking. If threads can go any which way without any regard for those who are on topic than there is no point for anyone else to post who wants to stay on topic. While the one off topic, who claims to be without illusion, says what they have to say is more important than the thread I was on topic with. Fine, you don't get to just tell people these things without expecting a response. |
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Post by heathen on Feb 21, 2016 22:28:04 GMT 1
You are free to start your own thread on topics you think are more important. No one stopped you from that.
Why should anyone take the time on a thread that will just be hijacked for what another poster deems more important than the topic?
I don't want to post in such threads. It's a waste of my time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 22:52:33 GMT 1
Andrea and I had an interesting conversation, starting about 'shiny awards' (page 8).
Your head is not only full with illusions, but also filled with frustrations. It's the energy that is coming out.
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Post by heathen on Feb 21, 2016 23:10:35 GMT 1
heathen said,
flatter responded
heathen responded
flatter responded
heathen responded
flatter reposned
heathen reiterated
So, on this thread you have stated what you have to say is more important than what I have to say. I then pointed out the topic at hand along with the social etiquette, such as not hijacking threads.
You said it must be difficult for me to deal you shattering my beliefs. You stated you don't care about my beliefs, while I am trying to talk about the topic of the thread.
You then turned things around and accused me of controlling the conversation and telling others what they can and can't talk about even though the thread is becoming far off topic, being hijacked, while you are stating what you have to say is more important.
Then threatened to leave if I don't keep quiet about all this.
And your latest reponse as I write this is as follows,
This so messed up. There was a thread and topic going on before you showed up, changed it, and deemed what you had to say as more important.
And then comment on frustrated energy from me. Yeah, I am frustrated because you hijacked the thread and when I am stating what the social rules are, you make it out to me being the anti-social one, while stating you are without illusions, you don't care about my beliefs, you are shattering my illusions, and threaten to leave if you don't get to keep behaving like this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 23:16:27 GMT 1
What you are doing to 'prove' that you are right! You are not a 'Freethinker', that's for sure. We can shake hands, as I don't believe in 'Freethinking' either. You left out Andrea. Why?  Andrea and I just had a conversation. It was a funny one, I must confess. It started about the 'shiny awards. Then, it became a bit serious. Maybe you don't like that. Why all these frustrations? You don't get what you want? What are you afraid of? |
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Post by heathen on Feb 21, 2016 23:20:13 GMT 1
Take a look in the mirror, there is a self there to evaluate.
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Post by heathen on Feb 21, 2016 23:21:05 GMT 1
You are the one who threatened to leave if you didn't get what you want. You are free to make a thread on the topic you deem more important.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 23:21:34 GMT 1
Take a look in the mirror, there is a self there to evaluate. Not at all. Thought is taking you for a ride. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 23:23:11 GMT 1
You are the one who threatened to leave if you didn't get what you want. You are free to make a thread on the topic you deem more important. Not at all, I just don't let others decide what I can do and may not do. I say 'no' and walk out. That's the only thing I can do. |
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Post by heathen on Feb 21, 2016 23:23:53 GMT 1
flatter,
You are making it out to be fear when I explicitly told you what I was bothered by. You can disregard what I say and not care. But don't keep asking the same question when I took the time to explain in various posts so far.
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Post by heathen on Feb 21, 2016 23:25:33 GMT 1
You are the one who threatened to leave if you didn't get what you want. You are free to make a thread on the topic you deem more important. Not at all, I just don't let others decide what I can do and may not do. I say 'no' and walk out. That's the only thing I can do. So you disregard social rules in favor for whatever you want and if anyone says they don't like it you decide to threaten to leave. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 23:27:06 GMT 1
flatter, You are making it out to be fear when I explicitly told you what I was bothered by. You can disregard what I say and not care. But don't keep asking the same question when I took the time to explain in various posts so far. You just repeat and complain that I am not talking about Mark Sargent, because Andrea and I had a conversation that started with 'shiny awards'. You want to decide what we can and may not talk about. Sorry, no, I don't accept that. Btw, are you still talking about Mark Sargent? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 23:28:32 GMT 1
flatter, You are making it out to be fear when I explicitly told you what I was bothered by. You can disregard what I say and not care. But don't keep asking the same question when I took the time to explain in various posts so far. You just repeat and complain that I am not talking about Mark Sargent, because Andrea and I had a conversation that started with 'shiny awards'. You want to decide what we can and may not talk about. Sorry, no, I don't accept that. Btw, are you still talking about Mark Sargent? Andrea and I had a conversation. You want to forbid that and to control what we can talk about. That's called fascism. |
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Post by heathen on Feb 21, 2016 23:33:35 GMT 1
It's called thread hijacking.
You behave like a troll. You disregard social rules and twist things around. You are not contributing to the topic or bringing anything to the table in regards to the topic. While stating you are without illusions shattering my beliefs, that what you have to say is more important on a thread I am on topic with, and saying you don't care about my beliefs.
I am saying you came to this forum and are behaving in a way that disregards social etiquette.
No, we are not talking about his ideas anymore. I am having to address not only your thread hijacking but you twisting it into something wrong with me for telling you that you are breaking social rules and being disrespectful.
That is the forum name free speech AND RESPECT.
You have said you are the one without illusions, that I find it difficult because you are shattering my beliefs, hi-jacking threads, saying you don't care about my beliefs in a thread I was on topic with.
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Post by heathen on Feb 21, 2016 23:34:52 GMT 1
You just repeat and complain that I am not talking about Mark Sargent, because Andrea and I had a conversation that started with 'shiny awards'. You want to decide what we can and may not talk about. Sorry, no, I don't accept that. Btw, are you still talking about Mark Sargent? Andrea and I had a conversation. You want to forbid that and to control what we can talk about. That's called fascism. No, there are social rules for forums to work. You are calling following RULES and RESPECT as fascism. Again, I am having to address you twisting me talking about SOCIAL RULES and respect as fascism. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 23:42:34 GMT 1
Why are you only talking about me and not about Andrea I had a decent conversation with?
You want to forbid a nice decent conversation because you were not part of it. That is very frustrating for you apparently.
You want to have control over us (i.e fascism). And when you don't get it, you are starting to talk about 'respect' we must have for you. What a joke.
Talking about your made up rules and your interpretations, when you don't get what you want. This is exactly how the society works and how religion works.
Your rules and your interpretations have to prevail, because you are the king.
And you call yourself a 'Freethinker'. What a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 0:46:25 GMT 1
OK, since we are not in the right topic, I will stop discussing this subject here, although I will have more questions in the future. We could bring the discussion on a specific thread, probably within the General section: fsr.boards.net/board/1/general-boardIn the future, we could move these posts to that thread, if everyone agrees. I am glad that despite all the arguing, you people are still respecting each other ten times more than average flat earthers respect each other on other forums or on YouTube. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 12:10:37 GMT 1
He doesn't like to talk to me. I asked him a question somewhere else, but he did not answer it.
And he was just 'jealous' that we had a conversation going on that started with 'shiny awards'.
I was the bad guy, but he didn't mention you, while we both had a decent conversation.
If it is not allowed to have a short decent conversation after 8 pages that went a bit off topic, then I'm out.
I don't let others decide what I can talk about and what not. That's my bottom line. I just don't allow limitations of expression unless you put a gun to my head.
Normally, I don't use swear words or insult people, so that is not a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 14:15:59 GMT 1
Before you both leave the forum, let me move everything from here to a new thread titled "Philosophical discussions", all agree? You can tell me another title, such as for example "Can we have free thoughts?".
I feel that things got out of hand only in the last 24 hours, because at the start we were all peacefully discussing what you said about the nature of our thoughts and how we cannot be "freethinkers".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 14:22:08 GMT 1
It's obvious that you are not a 'Freethinker'.
Goodbye!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 15:03:43 GMT 1
Ok, goodbye. In case you change your mind, you know where to find us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 16:05:42 GMT 1
Do you understand now that 'Freethinking' does not exist? You don't allow other people to express themselves and you limit yourself to let express that what is there with selectivity, censorship and the fear of not getting what you want and the fear to lose what you have.
Besides that, there is no want and no thought you can call your own. It is all secondhand knowledge and memory.
So, forget the whole thing. You are just fooling yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 17:53:30 GMT 1
Ok, I disagree, or let's say I do not understand what you are saying. But do not feel any pressure to either leave or keep posting. Do as you prefer. I believe there can be some principle of keeping the topics in their threads, but you guys can vote on this, too. I am only here to guarantee free speech and respect.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 18:04:09 GMT 1
Ok, I disagree, or let's say I do not understand what you are saying. But do not feel any pressure to either leave or keep posting. Do as you prefer. I believe there can be some principle of keeping the topics in their threads, but you guys can vote on this, too. I am only here to guarantee free speech and respect. You obviously don't allow/guarantee free speech. You engaged in a conversation with me and because someone else is complaining about it you forbid me (and you) to express myself/yourself, as you are afraid that this person will leave. Free speech and (your version of) respect rule each other out. You can't have free speech (freely express yourself) when you put limitations on it. Rules and your interpretations, censorship and thought police. You let your expressions be ruled by morality (imposed by the society/religion), wanting and fear. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 20:12:59 GMT 1
Yes, of course, good point. Free speech and respect have borders, and Free Speech cannot invade Respect, or it will be like the Russian campaign, and Free Speech will eventually have its Stalingrad, and will have to retreat to its original borders.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 20:17:06 GMT 1
it does not exist.
and if your 'free speech' is a threat to the status quo of the society.......
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Post by heathen on Feb 23, 2016 4:33:58 GMT 1
For the record. I was not jealous. I stated why I was irritated. You bringing your argument in this thread creates a problem because it is similar to the argument I have against what Mark Sargent says about the world we live in. Acenci knows I got irritated another time when a thread's topic was changed.
This thread is called Mark Sargent. Lurkers, people who don't post, would read this thread to read about the topic of the thread. As well as this, I have spent much time on this thread, with arguments and video cataloging Mark's statements, with time stamps.
It isn't fair to me or the readers that the topic changes from Mark Sargent, to flatter being without illusions, and all that goes along with that, drowning out the topic of the thread. Which was my concern as another thread's topic was changed and it was a topic I spent time researching.
So, not only am I trying to address Mark's words about the illusions he claims about the world, I then have to address your claims to illusions about the self, when that isn't the topic. Both are somewhat similar so it acts as an additional component to the world being some form of illusion (a terrarium, Truman show). Anybody who reads this thread will be coming in with the knowledge of what Mark Sargent says. This is why I asked for the topic to be taken to your own thread where you can talk all you'd like about it.
As for free speech, humans are social creatures, and in social environments, you have to consider others if harmony is valued.
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