Mark Sargent

You have to sell your ideas and convictions and be prepared to crush the competion. So, start your campaign, give some shiny awards to your followers, etc.
Maybe we can form a Think Tank.

Ok, we are a think tank already. And we have all awarded each other prestigious prizes.

tfes.org is better, but they are not heard around, and the main FES forum is a place where as soon as you open your mouth, you get ridiculed by almost everyone.

Russianvid's has a new video on video software. I will take a look later and see what it is.

What are you saying that most people don't like to hear?

I'm not interested in 'selling' anything or trying to convince other people. I only respond when the topic comes up.

Besides, I noticed that many flat earthers are religious buffs. I normally leave them alone with their precious illusions.

In regards to my FE argument against Mark's, and others, of the domed flat truman show earth, it should matter to FE'ers, as they are espousing something that destroys the ability for them to even argue what is real or not.

Similar to someone arguing that they have no self while their words and arguments requires a self.

Both are self defeating.

The last has nothing to do with FE . I took the time to address and argue against it in logical way, but I'm done now.  All the contradictory discordian stuff isn't  deep or appealin to me.  This is the FE section.  Initially I was addressing it nicely for acenci, but now since I was lumped in with the argument as a "discussion", I will state this.  I was not trying to go forward with it but for others to see it is impossible, self contradictory and defeats itself in it's very own argument.

I see it as a similar argument as stating the world is a simulation.



acenci said~

I'm not really offended. I have been trying for a long time to address a problem in FE. I didn't like having to deal with Mark telling people we live in a simulation and now adding to that, that people's self isn't real but also illusory. So I addressed it logically and now I am tired of it.

I am tired, meaning, I am tired of the argument, as I am already dealing with a similar argument and don't want to have to deal with arguing this in FE too. When many people seem to not grasp that if their world is artificial than they are in a position to be told what is real and what is not real by those who supposedly know. Furthermore, the simulation argument breaks down on itself as it cannot prove what is artificial because it destroys the reference to the natural in its own argument.

The illusions are in the mind, but in this reality there is real Life present. That's what we are.

Most people just prefer to live with their illusions. They just can't accept that thought is not the instrument to understand or say anything profound about Life. There is no depth!

This way, thought can keep itself going with this search for meaning and pleasure seeking. Thought is destructive, so this reality will be destroyed sooner or later. In the meantime life forms suffer from thei problems, pain and misery. Apperently they love it.

What I have been writing about this, is exactly how it is. It's so simple that you cannot understand it. It can't be that simple.
But it is. Thought just cannot understand Life. Everything you are saying about Life or everyone else including heathen, is utter nonsense. It's bullshit.

I am not saying anything except that your (and my) thoughts are not the instrument to understand Life or say anything profound about it. And you/we don't have another instrument. So, there it stops. No more questions, as all answers are false. No questions, no questioner (the question is the questioner).

Then, Life can express itself in you. You are not caught up anymore with the 'good' and the 'bad'. You cannot do anything 'bad' anymore and you won't exploit anymore or hurt other life forms. You cannot separate yourself anymore from the Life around you, so you cannot hurt other life forms anymore, as you would hurt yourself.

There is no belief necessary, no worshipping, no prayers, no help from anybody (except for a little physical help maybe sometimes), no books, no teacher or master you have to listen to, no methods, no goal. There is nothing to get. Nothing to do.

It's that easy.
But people cannot accept it. They are afraid that something happens or that they don't get what they want or are afraid that they will lose what they have.
So, they prefer to live with all the pain, problems and misery, trying to get a lot of pleasure and at the same time trying to avoid the pain and the problems. It is not possible as they go hand in hand. It is a mirage.

original it is not, but maybe it never dawned on you yet what the situation is.

Of course there ain't no such thing as an open mind, but to consider that something that you 'knew' is false, could be a start for rejecting everything you 'know' about Life and the reality.
Unfortunately, many new born flat earthers start new illusions or can't or refuse to reconsider religion and other 'hot potatoes'.

It is not a school and it is not 'determinism'. It has no name and you cannot capture it in 'philosophical' terms as it rejects 'wisdom'. There is no wisdom at all, as you cannot know anything about Life.

If you realize this, thought plays a minor role in our life. You just need it sometimes to survive and to live a simple way. Your wants are the same as your needs, so you can live in this reality.

The body has an intelligence of it own. It knows very well how to live sanely and intelligently in this reality. The Life energy that is released when you don't use thought induced energy to get pleasure or to bring about a change, activates the senses and the nervous system of the body.
Living becomes very easy. That is what I noticed in my life.

It is more important what you have to say.

interesting