Mark Sargent

This Week In Flat Earth: 11-22-15 Episode 4
Flat Earth Conspiracy

hour 2:09:00
They start talking about Mark Sargent, keep at it for dozens of minutes, and pretty much all suggest that he's probably a "shill".

I have to say that by the end of their talk, or even just 8 minutes into it, you're pretty convinced that they are right. Excellent arguments in favor of him being a "shill". On the other hand, Mark Sargent and his friends also do not sound as "shills", nor does Eric Dubay, nor Jeranism... I have never heard any flat earther or concave earther sound as a shill.

Perceptions 11 - A Masonic Flat Earth?
markksargent


Time Stamped at 1:24:45. Is this where Mark gets his theory that outside the dome, as he so elegantly describes it, is "cool"?

Also, the entrance to the game-like dome is at about 1:12min or just before.

Seriously, he says he's not a Mason but this whole thing sounds exactly like what Mark has been saying. Now, he could be projecting his theory into the Masonic symbolism, of course. I'm not saying he is a Mason, because I don't have a clue, and he says he isn't one. Anyway, why would the Masons, of all people, be given this information about the true reality?

Also, whoever the beings were that may have imparted this information, could have been doing so not because it reflects reality, but because they wanted us to believe in such a reality at a future date.

I wanted to figure out the patterns of what's been going on and I think Other Dimensions is what will be pushed. 

It makes sense to me, that if there is no outer space, and if the plane isn't infinite(or unknown) and we are (supposedly) in an enclosed system, well, the final frontier would likely be other dimensions.

The world is bad, uggh, suffering, who needs that?  The other dimensions are cool!

I like Mark's personality the most but I don't know about him.

Anyway, I think it was Lori who referred to Mark's theory of what's under the flat earth was great, she referred to it as a steam punk something. I forget exactly how she put it. I thought it was so right, Mark's flat earth steam punk theory.

I have no idea why he keeps his theory mechanical like he does. Especially when he constantly refers to it as a video game and says the sky is a fake projection (Patricia's face can be put on the moon if only they so desired it...).

Why not just have the world be a hologram or have it all mind, or created by a handful of minds (pluralistic idealism for his "dome builders")? Stop talking about an objective world independent of consciousness. Take the game design standpoint all the way to the end and say the world exists because of our perception/consciousness of it similar to the world of a video game. Or like a dream. Then you no longer have to support a silly steam punk earth. You would still need some structure to organize our world, it couldn't just be a free for all since our world is predictable and somewhat stable. But you would get out of this weird mechanical enclosed system where you say everything is controlled where you talk about the sky being a projection and underneath the earth there are mechanical systems to control lava etc.

It would make way more sense to do this from a game design standpoint!

I think that it's either all physical or all mental. He either quits the flat earth movement, and says that it's all within our minds, like in the movie The Matrix, or he stops saying that you can put Patricia's face on the moon and that anything is possible.

Yet the problem is that he keeps mixing the two, and speculating more about what's beyond the dome (and we don't even know if there is a dome for sure) than what he knows about what is within the dome.

However, his interviews seem to go in the opposite direction, and bring concrete evidence about what's within the dome. So, despite all his deficiencies, I still cannot dismiss him as a "shill" or as a waste of time. Although it is indeed true that for 90% of his shows, he just jokes around.

The way I see it is this. What seems to be the difference between a truther and Mark Sargent, who is therefore even, possibly, an agent id these many things:

1) he has a lot of free time to think about these things, especially flat earth

2) he doesn't seem to need to make any money

3) he doesn't seem concerned about the evil side of what's going on in the world

4) he doesn't worry about changing anything

5) he doesn't even denounce the evil that goes on in the world: chemtrails, false flags... he mentions them rarely and when he does it is rarely to condemn them

6) he talks as if he were a fan of weapons and even violence almost...

7) he seems entertained by these unfounded "what's beyond the dome" theories, including the idea that there are "dome builders" who are none other than "men" (as he said once), and rarely focuses on the concrete proofs we have of flat earth, and addressing the debunkers

So, these listed above, are the problems I have with Mark Sargent, whether he is a truther or just an agent.

Yes, now that you brought my attention to it, he is a very unusual truther, Mark Sargent. One who registers a domain to "hammer" a theory (the enclosed world, the dome, the wall, etc.) that he hasn't even demonstrated, that he doesn't have proofs for, that a regular truther, with an open mind, might change his mind about...

Maybe he thought about this theory on his own, or maybe someone is paying him to "hammer" this theory. According to his general behavior, he seems to have all the answers already, backing his theory, but whenever he gets asked something, he redirects you to his favorite flat earther, Jeffrey Grupp or Zeteticism dot com.

I think he's suspicious. As usual, I have no certainties, as he also shows reassuring truther behaviors.

But even if he's not agent, how much can I rely on someone who seems to have made up his mind about everything so much that he buys a domain based on his theory, but who's not willing to explain anything about it and sends you to Jeffrey Grupp instead?

To the Sargent! AFE The Rendition FIVE
Rayn Gryphon

FETOHP has the same song up too. Read the comments. I down voted and scrolled down and someone said something about down voters being trolls.

Yes, I agree FE is different than Truman show. My issue isn't so much with FE but many other things attached especially Truman Show, Dark City, Enclosed World, "Built", Mechanical FE, and various people saying we are trapped in a prison etc etc.

I think people will heal by feeling more significant and connected to the people and land/nature where they live.

Yeah, I do think so, generally speaking. I don't think our brains are wired for the way we're living and that's why so many people have problems with depression and anxiety (and these people are generally told the problem is them and not their environment/situation as well as them). I think the reason people would easily latch onto ideas about living in a prison is a reflection of their alienation from others and their environment. And I think people are wired to know and be close to a relatively small group of people and that closeness expands outward to others from that small group. I think society would be better off being based around family/relations, expanding to cultural heritage/tribe, and the feeling of shared group identity going up to a region or nation.

Not that I don't think it's possible for people to understand universal moral principles an apply that internationally to some degree. And hope they would while retaining their own identities.

I think this allows the individual to feel more significant in their daily lives and connected toward their local community. This connection to the nature around them would possibly create a feeling of stewardship for their land. I believe they would create their own religion and philosophy which would create the structure to experience meaning in the universe and in turn their lives as well.

I believe that moral principles are needed but I believe that moral principles can be quite abstract and it is easier to understand compassion for the people in the concrete experience of their lives.

I believe the problem with helio-centrism and ball earth and science is that it has been used to dis-value humans and their place in the world. So, humans need community, nature and a religion or philosophy to counteract being taught they are insignificant people in a meaningless universe. It really bothers me that people are now easily going toward the belief in the Truman show world when FE doesn't mean that nor does it mean a prison planet.

Not that I don't relate to you or anyone else online. I believe these things I have said would create more order in human societies, although, not a utopia or one without war etc.

I also believe parents having secure attachments between the wife and husband and creating secure attachments to their children will create adults with better skills to live in the world. And this could as well, create better lives.

The Simpsons - God Is Gamer
Best Gaming Scenes
Published on May 24, 2015

haha, yes, true.

So, I don't see a save function on create post like some forums have and I lost a post I spent time on.  Maybe I will have to write my post off the forum then copy and paste.

One thing I do recall I said, was that Mark has an uncanny ability to make me not hate him. hahaha

I am just going to see what I can do..



Patricia Steere/Mark Sargent. #43. Flat Earth & Other Hot Potatoes
Flat Earth and other hot potatoes





Time Stamp, 1:30:54

Question to Mark about the Hum of the Earth. 
 
Just before 1:31:35 Mark says things such as, "Giant Machine", "Giant Building", "Structure of Some Sort", "there's going to be mechanical processes that aren't silent....."
 



1:51:25.
Question/Comment from listener in regards to human instincts in Mark's video game analogy.  Commentator says instincts are God's "programming".

At 1:52:13, God's tools are beyond our comprehension.  Mark said, "it says he(God) built the Earth".  It doesn't say, "built", the bible says it is God's spoken command that created the world.  Not the same as built. 

At 1:52:50, Mark uses a terrarium analogy of how a spider in a terrarium  doesn't know anything about the light bulb, food, water dish, air, sand etc.  Mark says all these things are built.  He says nothing is organic.  Soon after Patricia says, but God uses natural materials.  Mark agrees and says, built with natural materials or energy concepts that we don't know of...or force fields. 

at 1:54:04 Patricia says, "imagine that your body is a machine in a way".  Mark says, "it is!"  Patricia says, "the world is in a way mechanical, that doesn't make it not natural.  That doesn't take God out of it."


This is so weird to me.  I can't understand why they are so focused on saying the world is mechanical, and I also feel like I am in a discussion with them, as I feel like I keep responding to these things, and they keep going over it again. haha

They are making God seem like an old man with a beard in the sky.

I cannot understand why they don't just call their theory, oh I don't know, a Clockwork Universe.






But both of them have the problem of consciousness, our minds.  If the world is a machine how do we have minds?  (I won't ask why we have minds as we are already talking about God.)

Are we ghosts in the machine?  That becomes problematic for them.  So why this focus of the world, and our bodies, being built machines?  Why is the spirit separate from the material in his system? 

What if mind and the material are the basic building blocks of the universe?  You could still have the natural processes and it would be less clunky!  And if you had spirit, or even mind, as a fundamental property of the universe, you could have an Intelligent Organizing Principle or even an Impersonal Spirit as an Organizing Principle.  Maybe it'd be like the Tao, Dharma or the Logos even!  There's many ways a philosophy could go in regard to the substance of this universe rather than it just being a built machine.  See, this is where is gets more fun and deeper and less clunky!  I would no longer have to call it Mark's Enclosed Steam Punk World! 

I doubt that Mark Sargent or Patricia would be reductionists, and reduce the mind to simply neurons firing, which you would do if you were materialist who say the material is the basic building blocks of the universe.  Are we ghosts in machines?  That sounds a bit clunky to me too, but it would make sense if the natural world were a machine with our minds also being real (and I am someone who thinks we need our minds need to be real.).

And the up shot is that people would likely feel less alienated from the natural world they live in!  They would be able to feel connected to it and apart of it.  Their minds would be apart of the universe they live in and they would experience it as such.

Patricia Steere/Mark Sargent. #43. Flat Earth & Other Hot Potatoes
Flat Earth and other hot potatoes


1:57:17~
Patricia says you can't really say it makes a better world if we all became flat earthers.

Mark says he thinks we won't be as malicious toward each other if we found out the world is much more intimate than we were led to believe.  He says we'd be all the same roommates and family members literally, not figuratively.  He joking says, "'it's like we're all one community world', no, no, I mean you're literally all in the same freak'n room.  In the same machine than..(garbled words), wouldn't we all join forces at that point?  Wouldn't we all have a common goal and that is to figure out where we are."  He says, there would be greed and money problems but we would have a common goal to figure out where we are and where do we go from here.  He says he thinks this would reduce a large part of the pain that's in the world.  He says there is no guarantee there will be a golden age if everyone became a FE'er, it is still up to you. 


haha, he still has the "machine" talk even here...

I wonder if other people are saying the same criticism because I feel like they go over the criticisms I have had.  It feels weird to feel like I am in a discussion with them while not actually interacting with them (which would be preferable, if it is so, in some weird way).

I do agree that FE could make positive changes in the world depending on the route people could take.  Now if they all feel alienated and trapped in a prison, well, look out how real prisons are to get an idea of what may befall us...

This is why I am stressing a theology or philosophy that is life affirmative and creates strength and heroism along with sacrifice.  And in turn, I believe in either meritocracy or some form of aristocracy, maybe a mixture of the two if possible, so we can have leaders who the people can look up to and emulate.  Personally, I think this is better than a focus on equality as desirable as I think heroism and nobility has the possibility of bringing out these things in people of all strata of society.

I'm not in to the idea we are all in the same "apartment/room" to the degree he says.  Although, for the sake of fairness, I will give him the possibility that it may reduce the chances of world wars.

I used a couple of thumbs up for the first time. I don't know how I feel about using them since it seems if I use them, and then don't use them as well, it creates a possibility of people feeling left out or that I didn't like their post if I didn't give a thumbs up.