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Post by heathen on Dec 15, 2015 20:38:46 GMT 1
Hmm, in the first 2 minutes he kind of addresses your points (or very close) about Mark Sargent: Calling PATRICIA STEERe Out FLAt EArth cult FakeSpaceman InSpace I have heard people talk about losing friends and family over FE. I think, really? It's that worth it to everyone?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 21:02:23 GMT 1
Right now I was just thinking that FakeSpaceman InSpace cannot kick his addiction to flat earth.
I have had the same problem before, when I was emotionally involved in it. That happened to me because I was getting heavily insulted. He probably got insulted, too, and he can't quit now. Now, for example, with no insults in the past several months, I could leave the flat earth community and disappear, and I would be ok with it. He feel he can't, maybe. Maybe he feels he has to avenge his honor.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 16:44:38 GMT 1
Flat Earth face to face with Orphan Red & Mark Sargent markksargent 4:30 Hand sign, that's all she has done in this video. Giggling and a hand sign. And he does, too, at the exact same time. There's also a cut in the video, a split second later, so that was done on purpose, at least by her: 6:07 Masonic handshake.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 15:12:05 GMT 1
Patricia Steere/Mark Sargent. #52. Flat Earth & Other Hot Potatoes Flat Earth and other hot potatoes
In the first few minutes he talks about his Masonic relatives.
Considering his apparent wealth (see previous video, and listen to what he says at 48:00, "... our family has a little money..."), and at minute 50 (he's living on "family money"), here's my latest opinion and assessment of Mark Sargent. He is rich, has been rich all his life, he is carefree, likes to play video games and to have a good time. That's all. He is an unusual truther. He is far richer than most truthers, and also a bit more superficial. But also he is more polite and generous than regular truthers. All these characteristics make him look suspicious to us, because we cannot conceive of someone being like he is, and tend to think that he's instead like he is because he is being paid by some secret agency.
52-53 Patricia Steere talks about her money.
Then both Sargent and Steere keep talking about their life choices, their finances, their job projects...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 15:27:48 GMT 1
I had missed this, while on vacation. Art Bell quit his show, and they hosted the debate on Truth Frequency Radio: Flat Earth Science: Stanton Friedman & Mark Sargent Round Table Chris Geo Mark Sargent is battling with someone who has a Wikipedia entry, a long one, in 15 languages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanton_T._Friedmanminute 38 Oh, shit! Chris Geo had the bright idea of taking sides with Mark Sargent as a flat earther against the other opponent in the debate. He runs a radio and still has not understood the concepts of "debate", "moderator", "impartial"? minute 48:18 Crass ignorance by Mark Sargent who thinks India is only "partly" in the Northern Hemisphere: "...Well, part of it is anyway". He corrects his competitor, without even knowing where India is. Rotating globe here: earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=93.38,12.47,106 Very interesting debate otherwise, also in the objections and questions and respect shown by Stanton Friedman. minute 1:23:40 Masterpiece of conciseness by Mark Sargent: If the "powers that be" found out that they were wrong about the true shape of the world, would they tell people, and could they hide it?...
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Post by heathen on Jan 15, 2016 4:16:25 GMT 1
Tila's gofundme, Sargent, & other Flat Earth Thoughts
Jesse Spots Jesse says he doesn't think Mark is a Mason. But gives his criticism. Jesse says, "He's not expressing his anxiety against the New World Order." Stargods said~ Flat Earth and Other Hot Potatoes responds~
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Post by heathen on Jan 15, 2016 5:02:10 GMT 1
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Post by heathen on Jan 15, 2016 5:14:25 GMT 1
Flat Earth UK 14 Live With Mark Sargent Link Below
NathanOakley1980 Yes, Truman is in a simulated world, not on a flat earth. He wants to escape after finding out he was in a domed simulation of the real world outside.
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Post by heathen on Jan 15, 2016 6:43:16 GMT 1
By the way, Stargods has a very similar Truman Show idea of our world as well. I have quoted him in other posts on this forum. So, not sure what Mark is saying that would contradict his own views. He has Jehovah as the demiurge of this imposter world...The only problem I recall in his video about Mark is the seeming hand signs and Orphan Red's weirdness and an idea that Mark would lose a match between himself and Neil Degrasse Tyson.
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Post by heathen on Jan 15, 2016 6:50:54 GMT 1
Patricia Steere/Mark Sargent. #52. Flat Earth & Other Hot Potatoes Flat Earth and other hot potatoes In the first few minutes he talks about his Masonic relatives. Considering his apparent wealth (see previous video, and listen to what he says at 48:00, "... our family has a little money..."), and at minute 50 (he's living on "family money"), here's my latest opinion and assessment of Mark Sargent. He is rich, has been rich all his life, he is carefree, likes to play video games and to have a good time. That's all. He is an unusual truther. He is far richer than most truthers, and also a bit more superficial. But also he is more polite and generous than regular truthers. All these characteristics make him look suspicious to us, because we cannot conceive of someone being like he is, and tend to think that he's instead like he is because he is being paid by some secret agency. 52-53 Patricia Steere talks about her money. Then both Sargent and Steere keep talking about their life choices, their finances, their job projects... 58 On Tila Tequila Why would the Masons of all people, at the highest levels, know the true shape of this world? And in Mark's video about the Masononic Flat Earth he went over their tracing boards and apparently they also believe we go into this structure, which I took as the domed built world...It is an interesting video though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 17:40:26 GMT 1
Hey, heathen, great job in showing our suspicions towards the big YouTubers, and their own suspicions towards each other. I am too tired to keep up with all these hand signs, let alone following all the videos on the hand signs. Maybe it would be time to have our own flat earth (audio) chat, and shoot the shit on flat earth, and let these people visit our YouTube videos, and comment on them, and become big stars ourselves. The only line I will never cross is showing my face. I won't host it, but if any of you hosts it, I will join it. We could call it the "Flat Earth Critics chat". But maybe none of us cares to talk online. But if we did, it'd be a nice revenge. After listening to hours and hours of their bullshit, we'd give them something to listen to. One last thing. I'll just post the interesting chat of Mark Sargent with Nathan of Flat Earth UK, because it has now become available. Basically it's the two nicest guys of flat earth talking to one another. I haven't heard it yet, but it will be interesting for sure: Flat Earth Clues Interview 49 - Flat Earth UK via Skype Video markksargent minute 8:50 More crass ignorance shown by Mark Sargent. After saying at the big debate with Stanton Friedman that India is also below the equator, he now said that (maybe) World War II in Europe ended in 1943. This is not something a serious researcher would make a mistake on, or at least he would just be quiet about it. But he shoots random facts, wrong, as if it didn't matter to get them right.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 18:31:06 GMT 1
Flat earth gatekeepers, connect the dots Adam Moyer
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 19:48:43 GMT 1
Flat Earth - Message For Mark Sargent Insanity is Sanity
To be listened to at twice the speed, unless you want to fall asleep.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 22:45:43 GMT 1
Patricia STEERE sends threats to me and my family flat earth FakeSpace Cadet Flat Earth Hoaxer Tactics - Fraudulent Legal Claims Debunked Cognitive Dissonance What a gentleman this Tim Osman: "Sir, I appreciate what you are doing...", "I don't want to waste your time...", and then he uploads the private phone call on YouTube. www.ipredator.co/michael-nuccitelli/
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 22:57:06 GMT 1
Patricia Steere EXPOSED 52 years old acts like a 12 year old FakeSpace Cadet
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 23:09:58 GMT 1
Tim osman puts Mark sargent on the flat earth spot FakeSpace Cadet
Alternate (and original) link:
Tim Osman chats with Mark Sargent of the Flat Earth Conjecture Series Tim Osman
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 23:41:27 GMT 1
Mark Sargent - EXPOSED - Shill 100% - Pushes World of Warcraft Agenda on Flat Nonsense Cognitive Dissonance
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Post by heathen on Jan 16, 2016 7:09:03 GMT 1
Flat Earth will End the Illuminati and NWO ForeverStargodsTime Stamped at 12:43. I just happened to come across this old video and randomly chose a spot to skip ahead and this fell in my lap. Published March 26, 2015. Mark Sargent's first video was on Feb 10, 2015. This is just for information purposes. After he says the above quote, he goes on about stars and how it's more like we are in a planetarium rather than stars being trillions of miles away. He says, "sorry pal, those stars are only limited to the ceiling". I think it's funny, we get told we are being lied to by "science", and yet the truth is we are actually in a planetarium, like The Truman Show, which is kind of like a prison, and we are supposed to be happy about it. It feels like being given a deal where you don't actually get the deal. It feels a little fishy to me. So, if we are happy with it, well, it is like being content in some weird sci-fi box and there's no where else to explore. If we aren't happy with it, we are still in that box, likely feeling trapped, maybe by trapped by aliens or maybe some sort of sci-fi god. We're told we were lied to about space and given a box in return...And people got happy about it. This is the weirdest shit. I think it's amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2016 12:57:20 GMT 1
Flat Earth Gatekeeper n liar Mark Sargent Adam Moyer Very attentive and perceptive analysis, although he might be wrong in drawing the conclusions that he does. But congratulations to him on his attention to detail.
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Post by heathen on Jan 16, 2016 18:32:10 GMT 1
Yeah, I didn't come to the same conclusion as him when I saw it say 2014. I thought, ok, proof he was looking into FE before his videos were published. I can easily imagine Mark becoming a member of the FES for his own personal amusement. The fact that he even shows his new personal license plate adds more to my theory, I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2016 19:44:01 GMT 1
Well, let's wait to see if he says something about the masonic hand signs with Orphan Red. I see that as the biggest reason to suspect him right now.
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Post by heathen on Jan 16, 2016 20:57:08 GMT 1
Yeah, that is weird. Ok, well, if it was on purpose, than they would know it would become an issue just like it has become. If so, the hand signs may have likely been for us, for whatever reason that may be.
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Post by heathen on Jan 17, 2016 2:54:26 GMT 1
Mark Sargent Flat Earth liar clarification Adam MoyerI wouldn't have chosen to take a hold of this like him. It's not even a big deal to me and I will add why that is to what I have already said. First, I am someone who believes we all have parts to our self. Even in our speech we use parts language, "a part of me want to do this, but another part wants to do that", etc. Anyway, that is intuitively understandable to most people. During the time of thinking and researching you could have conflicting parts of your self that pull in opposite directions. I can imagine becoming a card carrying member of an organization if the only real obligation is a fee (not positive if that's the case with TFES but that's all Mark mentioned), while still having a part of you not believing in the ideas. With the Flat Earth Society, many people take it like a joke as well. He could have become a member while thinking and researching about FE and having different parts of himself, with varying degrees, opposing, laughing at, as well as being for Flat Earth. Adam quotes Mark via the video, "The tipping point was really going to the flat side..........I realized that the globe was losing, and in February I had that weird, again, that Jerry Maguire moment." I noticed that Mark was talking about a tipping point going to the flat side and the globe was losing. It makes me wonder, if he was actually talking about the parts of himself winning and losing the debate? Just a thought that makes some sense to me. Adam keeps focusing on the Jerry Maguire moment in February. I have never seen the movie so I looked up the phrase and urban dictionary's top comment says it has to do with staying up all night and being struck by an idea that will change the misdirection the business is going. Mark has always said that his initial videos were meant to give clarity to the static message that FEers were giving. Adam plays the video of Mark saying, "...I woke up and said, look, there's something to this. There's really something to this. It's coming across like a static-y radio station and I wanted to give it some clarity."Just sticking by the words I heard, he wanted to give the FE message some clarity. Sticking by the words, one would give a message clarity on a topic if one already had some level of understanding. I think it is entirely possible to have found himself in February with a much larger part of himself dedicated and believing in FE thought along with an idea of how to give the FE message much more clarity. Not a big deal to me. To me, this comes across as trying to find a smoking gun, and this isn't it. And like I already said above, when I saw it say 2014, I thought, ok, this looks like proof he was thinking about, and aware of flat earth, before his 2015 videos were published.
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Post by heathen on Jan 17, 2016 6:57:48 GMT 1
Mark Sargent Flat Lies. Only made this to counter excuses in comment section Adam MoyerHe says, "You cannot become a card carrying member of the Flat Earth Society unless you convince another group of card carrying members of the Flat Earth Society that you're for real and you truly believe. Do your research people. You can join the forum. You can make comments. But you can't become a card carrying member until you convince another group of them you truly believe you're for real and you believe in the flat earth...."Adam is making the claim and tells us to do the research without providing anything to defend his claims. Which would help his argument. We would have to know the actual process in October of 2014. We don't need to do his research to back up his claims. He says we have 3 options. I will condense what he said~ I don't believe his argument about the FES membership card and its date prove or are limited to these conclusions. People's beliefs are not black and white or on and off. I believe people have different parts of themselves, sometimes even contradictory parts, and feelings. And these things may fluctuate. Maybe Mark was for real, and a part of him did believe it enough to join an FE organization, yet another part, the globe part of himself, was trying to debunk the flat earth part during this same time period. It is possible in February a larger part of himself increased in belief and had a vision to bring more clarity to the FE message. Not a big deal, and this scenario, is quite possible in my mind. If this scenario is possible, all the other options he gave, wouldn't have supremacy over this benevolent scenario, as far as I can tell. I still say, I wouldn't choose this as something to hold against Sargent. It seems like trying to grasp at low hanging fruit without looking for anything deeper.
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Post by heathen on Jan 17, 2016 7:21:15 GMT 1
Mark Sargent Flat Earth liar clarificationIt would have been better for him to start off with this information on what it takes to join (in Oct of 2014 though). He has repeatedly spoken and written this claim with us only being told he did the research, we need to do the research, and in this instance, to trust him. With that said, beliefs and ideas are not necessarily black and white, on or off. It is interesting for me to see Stargods encouraging this about Mark since from what I have learned so far, their ideas concerning the dome are very similar. The main difference I have seen, is that I have seen Stargods even more explicit in the Truman Show analogy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 12:35:57 GMT 1
If I had more energy and were more motivated, and didn't get let down by all these flat earther with their rudeness, I would tell Adam Moyer that my point about Sargent's saying, in early March, that he was -- "Yes!" -- a Christian, when asked on the Fakeologist interview is much better evidence of him being an agent. Because right now he's clearly not a Christian. Then, more evidence, as pointed out by Eric Dubay in March, is that he said in interviews that he believed in the Orlando Ferguson map, which is not compatible with the 9 months of research he said he has done: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Orlando-Ferguson-flat-earth-map_edit.jpgThen another thing is, once again as pointed out by Eric Dubay, how he got all those dozens of interviews in just a few weeks. Anyway, despite all the evidence gathered so far, I agree with you that we still do not have enough evidence to call it a closed case. However, we're getting closer, especially with the masonic hand signs of both Mark Sargent and Orphan Red on the same video at the same exact time.
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Post by heathen on Jan 18, 2016 4:56:36 GMT 1
I'd email him the link to your post but I messaged him once before and he never wrote me back so I'm not going to write him again.
Yeah, I always thought it was odd how he got interviewed one after another on all those shows. He said he never asked to be interviewed by anyone, they all came to him, and I'd say he must have any easy life then.
Then all these professionals, and even that one guy in the military, being interviewed by him.
And yeah, he said he was a Christian but other ideas he says don't sound very much like Christian theology.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 15:00:41 GMT 1
Here's another two good videos on this subject. Both by the same YouTuber. They're an excellent compilation of all the evidence and analysis of Mark Sargent's recent suspicious behavior:
FLAT EARTH - MARK SARGENT PROBLEM odiupicku
FLAT EARTH - MARK SARGENT PROBLEM - part 2 odiupicku
He definitely has to explain the hand signs now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 22:16:15 GMT 1
Flat Earth Clues Interview 53 - RiveRose Radio via Phone markksargent
minute 18:30 "you're giving them a proof of god" (with flat earth)
minute 19:41 "...that means there's a creator"
I say bullshit. Bullshit! Mark Sargent keeps on pretending now that there is a religious dimension to flat earth, whereas he never believed in it at all, because in previous interviews (referenced here on this forum, with place and time) he said "...or whoever built this place" and even called them "people" (referenced here on this forum).
He can't say at once that flat earth means God, and then that flat earth was built by "people" and "...whoever built this place". Bullshit.
He can't say he is a Christian (as he said on Fakeologist) and then show that he clearly is not.
Then you add the masonic hand signs... well my conclusion is that Mark Sargent is hiding something, to say the least.
Also, initially, as pointed out by Eric Dubay, he believed in the Orlando Ferguson map.
Too many contradictions. I mistrust him.
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Lastly, I find it contradictory that he often says that he was raised in a Christian family and environment, but then in other videos he also tells us that most of his relatives were Freemasons. Unless his parents are an exception, then this is one more contradiction, because Freemasons are not Christians. But I also have to admit that he is a very nice guy... who does masonic hand signs nonetheless.
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