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Post by heathen on Jan 24, 2016 6:06:37 GMT 1
Every time Mark talks about someone, God, the builder, looking over our shoulders and also using his camera stop light analogy to the FE and human behavior, I think of the Panopticon.
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Post by heathen on Jan 24, 2016 6:21:31 GMT 1
What's more, I have yet to hear Mark speak much about any real ethical system. Sure, he used to say, treat others better than you treat yourself, but that moral axiom could never have become an ought simply from a fact of a flat earth, or a built enclosed system.
I have yet to see Mark ground whatever ethical system he assumes for the FE world.
He talks about cameras making us be better because someone is looking over our shoulders watching us. Being watched does not tell us what ethical system he is assuming or supposing for the FE world. Nor does being watched tell us what it is that makes something good or bad.
So, what ethical system is this? Are we all just to assume it's our preferred ethical system and it would be our way? What ethical system is it that Mark gets from the fact of their being a 'builder'? What is the nature of this builder in which he can ground his assumed ethical system in? What cultural/religious tradition does this originate from?
Ethics is values.
As I have already stated before, he also has not actually proven this world is "built" in the machine-like way he phrases it. This world could be "alive". I have yet to see any evidence of the dome. For arguments sake, let's say there is a dome, suppose it is like cell membrane rather than a snow globe. The dome creates an artificiality to our world whereas a cell membrane would be natural system that would make our whole world biologically alive. You could say created, but built is not the term we would normally use for natural systems, in my experience as a native English speaker.
The words dome and built create an artificiality to our world.
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Post by cal on Jan 24, 2016 8:22:01 GMT 1
I think Mark Sargent's overemphasis of a dome or artificial enclosure is bogus. He has no evidence to support his wild theory.
In any case, assuming the concave earth model is correct we do live in an enclosed system. Firstly there is the glass sky which is an "enclosure" around the earth in a sense. Actually it encloses the heavens and the celestial sphere. But in the end the result is the same. Secondly the earth itself is an enclosed system since it curves back onto itself. Therefore there is essentially no way out--unless one can dig their way out of this "prison planet" as Sargent calls it.
As far as ethics goes, if Sargent actually told the truth that would be a first step...
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Post by heathen on Jan 24, 2016 22:53:41 GMT 1
Yeah, I don't have much of a problem with enclosed systems. It is his machine-like artificial Truman Show nonsense I am against.
I now think words like built, dome, and movie references suchs as Dark City and The Truman Show is language which implies or imposes an artificially constructed world in our minds. Whether it is intentional or not, I have no idea.
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Post by heathen on Jan 24, 2016 22:56:14 GMT 1
Earlier this morning I made the connection between the panopticon and the all seeing eye. I don't know what the all seeing eye represents. But it came to me this morning.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 8:11:04 GMT 1
Flat Earth VLOG [1-28-16] Covering for their trolls Jeff Stewart |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 18:10:57 GMT 1
Flat Earth face to face with Orphan Red & Mark Sargent markksargent 4:30 Hand sign, that's all she has done in this video. Giggling and a hand sign. And he does, too, at the exact same time. There's also a cut in the video, a split second later, so that was done on purpose, at least by her: View Attachment6:07 Masonic handshake. |
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Post by heathen on Feb 3, 2016 20:32:55 GMT 1
There's no way she talks like that in every day life. I just can't imagine her doing so. Cringe-worthy sometimes even.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 20:35:15 GMT 1
Hey, by the way I will be a star. I made a flat earth humor video, with your material, too. See in flat earth humor thread.
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Post by heathen on Feb 3, 2016 20:38:33 GMT 1
Ok, I will have to do so later on. But I will check it out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 20:41:49 GMT 1
Yes, it already has 25 views, it's going viral.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 20:45:41 GMT 1
I had missed these videos, from months ago: Flat Earth- Is Patricia Steere an Agent? Flat Earth TruthFlat earth- "Patricia Steere" is an agent Part 2 Flat Earth Truth Even knowing that these accusations and evidence come from the IFERS / Eric Dubay crowd, which is the same who accused me (along with 99% of flat earthers) of being a "shill", the second video is quite convincing. I am not sure, but it put some doubts in my mind. |
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Post by heathen on Feb 4, 2016 1:42:03 GMT 1
You are just now seeing those videos? I would have thought for sure they were on the forum.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 6:40:13 GMT 1
You are just now seeing those videos? I would have thought for sure they were on the forum. I had seen an earlier version of the first video, which had then been taken down. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 13:37:33 GMT 1
Perfectly put, "throwing masonic hand signs at a crowd of conspiracy theorists"!!! He also thinks that maybe it was a publicity stunt. But whether it was that or it was the real thing, they can no longer play innocent, even if they're just making fun of us:
Troll Hunter - Episode 03 - Mark Sargent and Orphan Red think it's funny!!!
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Yet another Dutch flat earther -- maybe it's always the same guy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 4:28:41 GMT 1
There is now a big conflict of interest for me. Now that Patricia Steere has commented on a couple of my videos, such as Flat Earth Vloggers Highlights of 2015, where we have interacted a little bit, and now that she even subscribed to my YouTube channel, I can no longer write all those insults to her shows on our forum. Not that I will remove the previous criticism on this thread, but I already feel that I have changed my opinion on her -- and merely because... probably mostly because one tends to criticize those he is not in touch with, but now it is much harder for me to tell her "your show is crap" than when she was not interacting at all with me. Furthermore, one thing is to criticize someone you don't talk to, easy. Another thing, harder one, it is to criticize someone you are in touch with. But then it is even harder if they are being nice to you by praising your video. So basically goodbye to being the "flat earth critic" I have been until now, because now I have a conflict of interest and my objectivity is gone, at least as far this case. It is as if a movie critic makes friends with actors and directors. Then you can no longer trust him to critique the movies where those people are involved. |
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Post by heathen on Feb 7, 2016 5:44:52 GMT 1
That's kind of unfortunate. Good for me to know and not be too weirded out by future comments. She and Mark are petty tight too.
Anyway, critiquing is main interest.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 11:21:34 GMT 1
Maybe that is why Spaceman can be so effective. He rejects people's compliments, and has no contact with anyone, including his fans. That way he can keep criticizing / critiquing everyone. Now for me it'll be hard to make satire or sarcasm on the people who left a nice comment below my video.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 19:51:11 GMT 1
That's kind of unfortunate. Good for me to know and not be too weirded out by future comments. She and Mark are petty tight too. Anyway, critiquing is main interest. Oh, wow, heathen, I was mentioning a potential "conflict of interest", but with this latest compliment on my last video, now I am officially part of the Illuminati: Flat Earth Vloggers Highlights 20160207 I can no longer say anything against her show, and if I will get mentioned by Mark Sargent, I will probably react in the same way. Sorry. So basically I have now become a very biased and unreliable critic. |
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Post by heathen on Feb 7, 2016 20:00:01 GMT 1
Well, at least you admit it. I am more of an unlikable character, a feline in the Panthera genus, and don't belong in friendship flat earth.
Soon, you will become a dome believer, along with cloning centers, and drinking your own piss.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 20:21:44 GMT 1
Yes, I am already starting to believe in the Mandela effect, too. I just need some compliments from Orphan Red and I will embrace the Mandela Effect.
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Post by heathen on Feb 7, 2016 22:04:25 GMT 1
That's what happened. You, (or is it me?), are on another timeline. Spooky. No more proof needed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 22:21:58 GMT 1
Yes? However, no compliments from Orphan Red yet, so I still think the Mandela Effect does not exist. As Groucho Marx said, "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 22:42:20 GMT 1
Flat Earth Clues Interview 56 - Chris & Sheree Geo with Patricia Steere markksargent minute 55 She says that she will interview people who say something interesting. Now I understand why she appreciated my vloggers highlights. hour 1:07 She comments on the vloggers' first videos. Also in this, I am understanding why she liked my compilations of vloggers, where often I am putting first videos, for the reasons explained by Caveman444 here (link with timestamp): youtu.be/ngmiG3IUJzE?t=463 |
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Post by heathen on Feb 8, 2016 3:05:39 GMT 1
Apparently, Mark, Patricia Steere and Jeran are the only ones who are not making FE look crazy. Totes.
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Post by heathen on Feb 8, 2016 3:24:44 GMT 1
Flat Earth Clues Interview 56 - Chris & Sheree Geo with Patricia Steere markksargent12:28 Patricia says she gets flack for talking about the dome too much. She says she gets told she needs to talk about the other version which is the infinite plane... Oh brother, this gets so old. It isn't between only these two choices. Mark's model is about how he would do from his gamer standpoint. It's a model on nonsense. And infinite plane, how could one ever verify it is infinite? I'm not sure how anyone could by exploration... Ok, we are being given the two choices for flat earth. We weren't limited to these two choices before 2015. |
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Post by heathen on Feb 8, 2016 3:49:17 GMT 1
time stamp of from above video, 14:01"Mark's way of looking at it includes all the other camps but the other camps way of looking at it sometimes excludes Mark's model..." (paraphrasing this quote from Patricia)
Good luck, @acenci. Mark's model excludes it from being real as the way he describes the world is that it is artificial in some ways, as it is "built". The dome is never described as an organic system such as a possibly a cell membrane. If it were natural the use of the "dome" language would be less and we would also hear other words being used.
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Post by heathen on Feb 8, 2016 3:59:07 GMT 1
again, another time stamp, 14:31Sorry, the quotes keep coming. "On an energetic level, the dome feels the best to me (Patricia adds, "me too" here). My intuition is jumping out and saying, no, no, no, no, we're in some kind of artificial construct, fish bowl......" This is your new club! hahaha. Of course, it couldn't be that our way of living has made us feel disconnected to each other and the natural world around us and, we are now projecting our alienation onto nature itself....Couldn't be that. No, we feel alienated because, we live in an artificial construct. No, not an artificial construct in our minds, but literally, the world we live in is artificial. Makes my stomach intuitively feels queasy. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 7:01:06 GMT 1
Well, there seems to be no meritocracy, I guess. What do I like to do? Watch YouTube videos? What does Mark like to do? He likes to talk and interview people. Patricia Steere likes to watch videos and interview people. Where is the research? TheMorgile and waykiwayki. And Zeteticism DotCom (Jeffrey Grupp) -- but for some reason these people are less famous. It is nobody's fault is those eager to do research get less subscribers and views, and those others eager to talk and interview more than doing research are the ones getting the most subscribers.
Maybe Eric Dubay is also a good researcher from this point of view, but he is anti-social... so I don't know if we can't blame these people for being themselves. Another thing is if we suspect them of being agents and saying things they don't even believe in.
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Post by heathen on Feb 13, 2016 21:24:39 GMT 1
Flat Earth Coffee Talk 3 with Humanastory markksargent44:16 In regard to the designer/s, Mark is asked, what do they look like? We are told we were made in their image, so they are humanoid looking. Sounds close to Ancient Aliens in some ways. Mark posed this as either a religious answer or advanced technology. This question of the dome will always be able to be posed as either religious or advanced technology. But humanoid creatures only removes the question God/Spirit by a second step. The enclosed built domed world theory allows for the design question to be include an advanced technological race/species along with God/Spirit. There's no evidence that it was "built". Humans have an intuitive knowledge between something "built" and natural systems. He gives us no evidence for it being built except for there being a dome. There's no evidence for a dome. If there is a dome like enclosure, there is no evidence it was built and, not a natural system itself. God, is the ground and ordering principle of natural systems, creating balance and harmony, which humans find desirable, beautiful and good. When Mark uses the term artificial and built he is using a referent for what is real and natural. If he wasn't, he could not himself, decide and judge what is artificial and what is natural. What is currently natural is now artificial if we are in a totally "built" system. All he can do is tell us that all that we consider natural was built. But in doing so he also destroys our reference between the natural and the artificial. We are then left to only desire the real, because the real is no longer where we intuitively experience it in nature. In such a predicament, will the real be desired and, thought to be found somewhere outside of the dome? But there is no evidence of a built artificial dome. And what we intuitively experience as natural, is still experienced as such and, is still our reference for the natural/real, where the Ordering Principle that creates the harmony and balance of the natural systems. |
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